Notable Quote Derail: Joel Osteen Word of Faith.

[mossrose]

A friend of mine's mother went to a WoF church like Osteen's.

She developed breast cancer, wouldn't tell anyone, didn't go the doctor, and when she was finally encouraged to go because her family knew something was wrong, she was too far gone for help.

She died insisting that if she only had more faith, and that if those around her had more faith, she would be healed. And that her lack of faith and failure to speak health upon herself was killing her, not the cancer.

[Christianbookworm]

That's horrible. Reminds me of the joke where a guy drowns and asks god why He didn't save him. God had sent him two boats and a helicopter. Meaning that God often uses other people to solve problems. Only a bad writer would solve all the problems in a story with deus ex machinas.

[mossrose]

Yup. That movement makes faith (or lack thereof, I should say) into a hammer that hits you over the head when you inevitably get sick, as we all do.

It is a terrible thing, and yet half a billion people world-wide have bought into it. Who doesn't want health and wealth spoken into existence, the same way Jesus created fish that never swam and bread from wheat that never grew when He fed the multitudes.

[Catholicity]

Yup. That movement makes faith (or lack thereof, I should say) into a hammer that hits you over the head when you inevitably get sick, as we all do.

It is a terrible thing, and yet half a billion people world-wide have bought into it. Who doesn't want health and wealth spoken into existence, the same way Jesus created fish that never swam and bread from wheat that never grew when He fed the multitudes.

Of course we do but this is the pseudo Christian version of the neo pagan and very gnostic ideology Oprah promoted on her show called "The Secret." Supposedly whatever you encounter that's negative if you only choose to speak positive things have a positive attitude etc. You can speak everything you want into existence. Its kind of based on the laws of attraction except it uses emotion and so called metaphysical energy. I guess the shred of truth is that a person who constantly berates their ability for something can be a self fulfilling prophecy and an inhibitor but that's the only shred of truth that exists. The WoF ministry and I am targeting O Steen since he is at the forefront relies on the same thing only specifically twists scripture in order to make the gnosticism of it appear in sheep's clothing.

[Cow Poke]

I suspect that man is free to wallow in the temporal world and is also free to cast aside the natural world and take a spiritual path.

This is your new Mantra, eh? And you, no doubt, are the only true disciple above the fray. You're a fraud, Frank.

[Franktalk]

This is your new Mantra, eh? And you, no doubt, are the only true disciple above the fray. You're a fraud, Frank.

I think one day you will come to realize that all religions are frauds. I am sure you think that all are frauds but one now. Just add one more and you are there.

[Cerebrum123]

I think one day you will come to realize that all religions are frauds. I am sure you think that all are frauds but one now. Just add one more and you are there.

So, when will you be ditching the Mormon tag then?

Oh, and in case you didn't see my response to jo in the other thread, you haven't left "religion", you've just created your own. You've also created a god to go with it.

[rogue06]

I think one day you will come to realize that all religions are frauds. I am sure you think that all are frauds but one now. Just add one more and you are there.

Are you now joining the ranks of the atheists?

[Cow Poke]

I think one day you will come to realize that all religions are frauds.

We're not talking about religions, Frank - it's your conduct - your deception - YOUR fraud.

I am sure you think that all are frauds but one now.

And you would be wrong.

Just add one more and you are there.

You're a fraud, Frank - you deceived Jo into believing you were "converted" to Mormonism while telling Vivian you did not convert, and you frauded the Mormon Church.

You're a fraud, plain and simple.

[Bill the Cat]

You're a fraud, Frank - you deceived Jo into believing you were "converted" to Mormonism while telling Vivian you did not convert

Among other things...

[Sparko]

I think one day you will come to realize that all religions are frauds. I am sure you think that all are frauds but one now. Just add one more and you are there.

I guess that makes you an atheist Frank. Stop posting in theist areas if that is the case.

[Cow Poke]

I guess that makes you an atheist Frank. Stop posting in theist areas if that is the case.

Here's what's weird... Joseph Smith claimed all religions were frauds, and started his own. Now, Frank, who fraudulently claims to be a Mormon and a follower of Joseph Smith*, even condemns his OWN religion.


*albeit Frank is far more speerchul than Smith, and can even sort out what Smith taught that was temporal as opposed to speerchul.

[rogue06]

Here's what's weird... Joseph Smith claimed all religions were frauds, and started his own. Now, Frank, who fraudulently claims to be a Mormon and a follower of Joseph Smith*, even condemns his OWN religion.


*albeit Frank is far more speerchul than Smith, and can even sort out what Smith taught that was temporal as opposed to speerchul.

In all honesty I think FrakTalk's actual religion could best be described as Frankism. But then as he also said all religions are frauds.

[Cow Poke]

In all honesty I think FrakTalk's actual religion could best be described as Frankism. But then as he also said all religions are frauds.

Yeah, I had been wondering if Frank and Jo had become Vivianites, or maybe Jo and Vivian became Frankians....

[JonathanL]

Yeah, I had been wondering if Frank and Jo had become Vivianites, or maybe Jo and Vivian became Frankians....

They've become FrankJoVivians.