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Scripture - something that's been bothering me lately
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Originally posted by Ana Dragule View PostI questioned you calling Paprika a heathen until I learned otherwise. Had you called him a heathen, that would have been similarly derogatory. Also, I know of no way to remove an amen. I hope you have found value in jumping on that.
I doubt you would have removed the amen even if you could, though, as you seem to agree with him anyway.
You certainly jumped on me for supposedly calling Paprika a heathen. So don't you point any fingers at me for jumping on anything.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI did not call Paprika any names, and yet he repeatedly called me an idiot. There is NO way to remove an amen, so you might want to think twice before amening someone if you may decide it wasn't a good idea later on.
You certainly jumped on me for supposedly calling Paprika a heathen. So don't you point any fingers at me for jumping on anything.
Someone already cleared up my confusion about Paprika and heathen.
You might notice I haven't been very active I've here until lately. I just learned today that you cannot remove an amen. No offense was intended.I am become death...
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostReally.
Then how about Deuteronomy 4:2
And Deuteronomy 12:32
And let's have a look at Proverbs 30:5,6
And maybe we can check out Jeremiah 26:2-6
Revelation 22 is NOT the first time that God Himself tells us not to add or subtract from His word! Or falsify, alter, mitigate or misinterpret the truths found within, or else the one who does will suffer judgment.
And the words in Revelation are directly from the mouth of Jesus Christ. Go ahead and argue with the Lord Himself if you wish. I will not.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostMossy, every single one of these passages address alteration of what has already been (or is in the process of being) revealed - not the subsequent revelation of new scripture. None of these say that the canon is closed - and some books (particularly Revelation itself) were in dispute for centuries after the last one was written). Now, IMO the odds that the canon will be expanded are vanishingly low due to the deplorable fracturing of Christianity, but scripture says nothing about that.
And, as in the past, you and I will have to disagree, my dear friend.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostAs I said, if one doesn't believe in Sola Scriptura, they will not be convinced.
And, as in the past, you and I will have to disagree, my dear friend.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThe Law IS scripture. And scripture IS the Law of God.
The Law is part of Scripture but not all Scripture is Law.
Since you can only repeat yourself and make me repeat myself to respond to you
You resort to name calling,which I have not done, because you don't have an answer for the scriptures I have posted.
I also see you have amened Paprika for repeatedly calling me an idiot.
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Originally posted by Ana Dragule View PostHow do I know that scripture was written correctly? Not as in big floods and battles and was Jesus crucified, but like how did the apostles write the Gospels years after Christ ascended into heaven and still get the wording of the parables right? I'm looking for something other than God inspired them to write it properly (if they are quoting the Lord) and other than the the Church says so. What else do we have?
However if you ask about a looser kind of accuracy, I am reassured by the nature of the NT and early post-NT documents. In the Synoptic Gospels we have what must have been a fairly widespread tradition, since we have three different versions with rather different perspectives, all of which agree pretty well on Jesus’ teachings. The setting of those Gospels matches what we know of the early 1st Cent. Futhermore, they differ in significant respects from all of the letters in the NT, and later Christian documents. Where could it have come from other than Jesus himself? If it had been written or seriously rewritten later, I’d expect it to have the moralistic tone of the early Church, or some of Paul’s characteristic emphases. But that kind of influence is rare.
There have been a few studies on transmission of sacred stories in Near Eastern culture. The level of accuracy we see in the Gospels is perfectly reasonable in that culture. Mark is probably 35 years after the events. Matthew and Luke are a bit later, but they seem to depend upon a common source of Jesus’ sayings which is probably as old as Mark.
I'm not prepared to make the same kind of argument for the OT.
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