Israel refuses to recognise Armenian genocide

[Paprika]

Israel does not plan to recognize the Armenian genocide perpetrated by Turkey, Rafael Harpaz, Israel's ambassador to Azerbaijan, told Azeri website Trend. “Israel is a democratic country, everybody has two opinions, not one opinion,” Harpaz said. “The government has a very clear opinion.”

He said Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman had made Israel's policy clear.

The irony is immense given their own history; the continuing refusal can only spur more Holocaust denial.

[shunyadragon]

very sad!!!

[KingsGambit]

The United States won't recognize it either. Barack Obama made a big deal about it... until he became president and realized the foreign policy implications involving Turkey.

[Epoetker]

Must be jealousy against the only group outside of Greeks being higher-functioning gypsies than themselves. Armenians seem to be a people who tend to invite genocide when organized as a people:

The density of diversity in L.A. County provides a critical mass that allows the bad apples to find each other. In most of the U.S., for instance, Armenians are well-behaved. In Southern California, however, there are 170,000 Armenians, enough to furnish an Armenian street gang, Armenian Power, as well as transnational mafias with roots in the old Soviet Union.

I hasten to remind the various leftists here that the worst of them were the ones who grew up under Communism:

The ones who stayed in Syria and Iraq etc. and then came to the US are basically successful middle class immigrants but their first and second cousins who lived under communism were basically wrecked, morally, by the experience.

A much bigger step forward would be for Israel to recognize and repudiate the Ukrainian genocide:

most ignored event

If you're organized, powerful, and dignified enough to have your own nation, you're organized, dignified, and powerful enough to take your own responsibility for your own people when they participate in the crimes of nations. A public apology would be nice, especially given that the Jews were actually the primary actors there, whereas the responsibility for recognition of the Armenian genocide rests entirely on whoever inherited the Ottoman Empire's legacy (not Israel.)

[KingsGambit]

Saying that a group "invites" genocide on themselves is pretty low, even for you, Epo.

[One Bad Pig]

The irony is immense given their own history; the continuing refusal can only spur more Holocaust denial.

Given that the Armenian genocide was precedential for the Holocaust, quite.

[Cerebrum123]

Must be jealousy against the only group outside of Greeks being higher-functioning gypsies than themselves. Armenians seem to be a people who tend to invite genocide when organized as a people:

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[Epoetker]

Saying that a group "invites" genocide on themselves is pretty low, even for you, Epo.

If your blood relatives, cousins, partially inbred extended family, and people behave terribly, cruelly, and destructively when organized as a people, then I have little instinctual hatred for those who band together to destroy that people, even if the ones who band together to do so commit the grievous and unpardonable sins of being the majority ethnic group in the region. I will never criticize the Germans for killing Gypsies, the Russians for killing Chechens, or even the South Africans for killing Nigerian crime syndicates and other immigrant opportunists. If the key to success in criminality is to claim membership among the Oppressed Minorities, then too bad for the oppressed minorities.

Really, I've maintained this position and defended its variants for quite a long time, did you really expect it was held lightly, or thrown away because Jews and Arminians had special exemptions? Have you read the Old Testament?

[pancreasman]

[Darth Executor]

Saying that a group "invites" genocide on themselves is pretty low, even for you, Epo.

Did the Amalekites invite genocide on themselves?

[Darth Executor]

Must be jealousy against the only group outside of Greeks being higher-functioning gypsies than themselves. Armenians seem to be a people who tend to invite genocide when organized as a people:

I don't see what the big deal is in your link, Italians also formed mafias at some point. Armenia's crime rates are very low and the presence of some small time gangs that just kill each other is meaningless without statistics as you can find gangs of just about anybody.

On top of that historically Armenians were quite subdued and the Ottoman genocide was an expression of Muslim supremacy rather than hatred because of a non-existent criminal reputation.

[Paprika]

Have you read the Old Testament?

[rogue06]

I don't see what the big deal is in your link, Italians also formed mafias at some point.

Are you aware of any group that doesn't have organized crime gangs? It is hardly unique to the Italians.

[rogue06]

Given that the Armenian genocide was precedential for the Holocaust, quite.

On August 22, 1939, in preparation for the invasion of Poland which took place a week later, Hitler gave a speech to Reichmarshal Hermann Goering and the Wehrmacht commanders at his Obersalzberg home in which he infamously remarked "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" while summarizing his genocidal plans for the Poles.

[Darth Executor]

Are you aware of any group that doesn't have organized crime gangs? It is hardly unique to the Italians.

I'm unaware of any Danish ethnic gangs in the US. I'm sure I could name a bunch of countries that probably don't have them, actually. I name-dropped Italians because Italy is a modern western country and their mafia is fairly well known.