" invented character called 'Mary' "

[Joe Gofish]

This is how some people that call themself Christian talk about the mother of God
They do not even have the repect that Our Lord had for His mother.
Why do people like this that say they are Christian treat Mary less then Jesus does,She is the mother of Jesus Christ and the Bible tells us to honor Our mother why don;t people like this do not . Are you happy if people are making fun of your mother.
Apollos why do you do this ?????????

[furay]

The thing about the Theotokos is this: no matter how much we love her, we can never love her as much as Jesus did. Hail Mary!

[Meh_Gerbil]

This is how some people that call themself Christian talk about the mother of God
They do not even have the repect that Our Lord had for His mother.
Why do people like this that say they are Christian treat Mary less then Jesus does,She is the mother of Jesus Christ and the Bible tells us to honor Our mother why don;t people like this do not . Are you happy if people are making fun of your mother.
Apollos why do you do this ?????????

If you are talking about Mary, the physical mother of Jesus then I think we should afford her the same respect that we should afford any other brother or sister in Jesus Christ.

If you are talking about sinless, perpetual virgin, co-redemptress, co-advocate Mother of G_d then you are talking about a pagan goddess that doesn't exist.

I appreciate the former.
I oppose the latter.

[Darth Executor]

If you are talking about Mary, the physical mother of Jesus then I think we should afford her the same respect that we should afford any other brother or sister in Jesus Christ.

If you are talking about sinless, perpetual virgin, co-redemptress, co-advocate Mother of G_d then you are talking about a pagan goddess that doesn't exist.

I appreciate the former.
I oppose the latter.

Pagan?

[guacamole]

Some of us, myself included, happen to agree with Nestorius on this and find the phrase "Mother of God" to be near anathema.

fwiw
guaca.

[Anoetos]

Who said she was or is an "invented character"? You don't have to name names or anything but it sounds like you're suggesting that there are people out there who deny her historicity.

[Jawa Man]

Some of us, myself included, happen to agree with Nestorius on this and find the phrase "Mother of God" to be near anathema.

fwiw
guaca.

So you agree that Jesus Christ is two persons in one? That's why Nestorianism rejected "Theotokos".

[Anoetos]

Jawa,

Are you sure about that? I thought they just believed that His two natures were separable and distinct such that Mary was the mother of only the Human part.

Monophysitism, as the name suggests, says He has only one divine nature.

I'm pretty sure the Nestorians affirm the two natures but deny their inseparability, thus:

If the Chalcedonian position is that Christ is 100% God and 100% man, the Nestorian position is that He is 50% God and 50% man, or if that's oversimplified (which is probably is) then they affirm that He is wholly God and wholly man but that the two natures are distinct and separable (which doesn't really make sense).

[guacamole]

So you agree that Jesus Christ is two persons in one? That's why Nestorianism rejected "Theotokos".

Did I say I agreed with everything that Nestorius thought? Or just with the idea of "Theokotos"?

[Kenite]

Who said she was or is an "invented character"? You don't have to name names or anything but it sounds like you're suggesting that there are people out there who deny her historicity.

I seem to recognise the title as my words! In very nearly the words of the not-so-insane desert inhabitant, if you are talking about sinless, perpetual virgin, co-redemptress, co-advocate Mother of God then you are talking about a pagan goddess that doesn't exist. And that is a better description of what I meant than I would probably have come up with!

[Kenite]

[QUOTE=JOE GOFISH]

This is how some people that call themself Christian talk about the mother of God

Ah. So God has a mother. So she must be God, to be sure.

Now who'd 'a believed that. Amazin', eh?

[Kenite]

[QUOTE=furay]

The thing about the Theotokos is this: no matter how much we love her, we can never love her as much as Jesus did.

So God has favourites? Well I never knew that.

Hail Mary!

She can't say 'Hi' back, y'know. Don't waste yer breath, chum.

[Jawa Man]

Jawa,

Are you sure about that? I thought they just believed that His two natures were separable and distinct such that Mary was the mother of only the Human part.

Maybe I should have made sure before I posted. Here is what I found, from a Nestorian website:

http://www.nestorian.org/nestorian_theology.html

From his exile, Nestorius condemned the heresy falsely attributed to him, that the human Jesus and the divine Christ were two different persons, and asserted that Jesus Christ was one Lord, indivisible in his person (prosopon), but containing two natures (ousiai), the divine and the human.

© source where applicable

So, according to the Nestorians it seems like what we think of them isn't really a fair assessment of their beliefs. Hmm indeed! Now this makes me confused and want to look into it more...

[Jawa Man]

Did I say I agreed with everything that Nestorius thought? Or just with the idea of "Theokotos"?

The reason I said what I did is because I thought you were trying to show your position is more historical or credible since someone in the early church held that position, and like those who don't like the title Theotokos today, was rejected for his belief. My line of reasoning was, if you consider Nestorius a credible person to refer to for your rejection of Theotokos, then you would consider other things that he said credible. I didn't think you agreed with Nestorius. I'm sorry if I misjudged.