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  • #31
    As I've pointed out before, even if that was the correct interpretation, DLA seems to advocate actions that would constitute going BEYOND "eye for an eye." (i.e. Doing something to certain unbelievers that's worse than what the unbelievers actually did.) So either way, he doesn't have a leg to stand on here.
    Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

    I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer

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    • #32
      Originally posted by fm93 View Post
      As I've pointed out before, even if that was the correct interpretation, DLA seems to advocate actions that would constitute going BEYOND "eye for an eye." (i.e. Doing something to certain unbelievers that's worse than what the unbelievers actually did.) So either way, he doesn't have a leg to stand on here.
      One of my concerns is that his view isn't singular, and that it may be shared by others, but maybe just not vocalized. If I had to take a wild guess, the source comes from a mix of real, and valid frustration with anti-Christian sentiment in the media, and that's also prevalent among his peers, and the type of in-your-face, fight-fire-with-fire apologetics that tends to hold to a particular interpretation of scripture that supports that aggressive rationale. When you strip away passages in scripture that teach Christians that we need to be kind, loving, gentle, and merciful, and reinterpret them to mean that it only applies to your own inner group, or only to others in a special context, is it any wonder that we're going to get a few people who come out thinking that it's okay to take an eye for an eye as long as they're not fellow Christians?

      I'm seriously concerned for DLA that he'll start acting on his words.

      DLA, you need to start seeking some counseling from your pastor. Let God's peace that passes all understanding fill your mind and your heart. Begin to learn that God is a God of doing the unexpected. Of overcoming hate with love.

      There's that passage from Paul that goes,

      2 Corinthians 12:7b Therefore, so that I would not become arrogant, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to trouble me—so that I would not become arrogant. 8 I asked the Lord three times about this, that it would depart from me.


      Some scholars (Craig Keener for instance) suggest that the thorn in Paul's flesh wasn't physical, but that it was people, particularly those people he mentions in the previous chapter:

      2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am talking like I am out of my mind!) I am even more so: with much greater labors, with far more imprisonments, with more severe beatings, facing death many times. 24 Five times I received from the Jews forty lashes less one. 25 Three times I was beaten with a rod. Once I received a stoning. Three times I suffered shipwreck. A night and a day I spent adrift in the open sea. 26 I have been on journeys many times, in dangers from rivers, in dangers from robbers, in dangers from my own countrymen, in dangers from Gentiles, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the wilderness, in dangers at sea, in dangers from false brothers, 27 in hard work and toil, through many sleepless nights, in hunger and thirst, many times without food, in cold and without enough clothing. 28 Apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxious concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not burn with indignation?


      But the bottom line, even if the thorn was physical, is this:

      2 Corinthians 12:9 But he (the Lord) said to me, “My grace is enough for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” So then, I will boast most gladly about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may reside in me. 10 Therefore I am content with weaknesses, with insults, with troubles, with persecutions and difficulties for the sake of Christ, for whenever I am weak, then I am strong.


      It's the world's ways to want to fight hate with hate, but God's ways are higher than the world's ways. In our weakness we are made strong. Only through the love of Christ can our enemies be overcome.
      Last edited by Adrift; 05-30-2015, 10:34 AM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by DLAbaoaqu View Post
        Thus, I created a variant of Liberation Theology: the best way to fight the athee, if all else fails, is through force of arms; stand up for your fellow believers and put down the Godless that mock you
        That must be some fascinating reading.

        In other news, this thread is quite entertaining (unlike most recent ones) e.g.

        Originally posted by Sea of red View Post
        We fight you because you want to turn places we live into Theo-Fascist armpits just like Islamic nations.
        No, we just don't want once-Christian nations to squander what remains of the legacy and end up as worse Progressive-Fascist armpits.

        Originally posted by Adrift View Post
        If I had to take a wild guess, the source comes from... the type of in-your-face, fight-fire-with-fire apologetics that tends to hold to a particular interpretation of scripture that supports that aggressive rationale.
        Can't you get over your butthurt just for a second?

        The main cause of his frustration is clearly his perception that Christians are passively sitting back for no good reason and losing a lot of ground, and the natural indignation and frustration that it would arouse. His talk about physical violence and retribution is much more likely to be derived from certain forms of liberation theology that actually advocate physical attacks and revolution instead of people who clearly don't.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Paprika View Post
          Can't you get over your butthurt just for a second?
          My butthurt? What are you talking about?

          The main cause of his frustration is clearly his perception that Christians are passively sitting back for no good reason and losing a lot of ground, and the natural indignation and frustration that it would arouse. His talk about physical violence and retribution is much more likely to be derived from certain forms of liberation theology that actually advocate physical attacks and revolution instead of people who clearly don't.
          What makes you think that his ideas are derived from liberation theology? Has he already talked to you about this? I've always connected liberation theology with a type of religious progressive socialism that had a heavy focus on the working class, not on aggressive violence against Christian detractors. It's usually portrayed as something Catholic, South American, and pro-Marxist. Nothing in DLA's posts seem to hint at that to me. Just out of curiosity, who are some of the leaders, or name of the groups of the violent form of liberation theology that you're referring to?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Adrift View Post
            My butthurt? What are you talking about?
            I think he's assuming that you're talking about the kind of riposte-style apologetics that JPH is involved in. Which I am assuming too, to be honest.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
              I think he's assuming that you're talking about the kind of riposte-style apologetics that JPH is involved in. Which I am assuming too, to be honest.
              I am to a large degree. Why would that make me butt hurt?

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              • #37
                Uhoh! Not this again!


                Are we going to get in another argument about riposte? Saying that stupid arguments are stupid is not the same as wishing to kill fundy atheists. If a fundy atheist was in need of life saving first aid, we'd give it to him.
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                  Uhoh! Not this again!


                  Are we going to get in another argument about riposte?
                  I'd rather we focus on DLA and why he's behaving the way he is.

                  Saying that stupid arguments are stupid is not the same as wishing to kill fundy atheists.
                  I think that's a given.

                  If a fundy atheist was in need of life saving first aid, we'd give it to him.
                  No doubt.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                    I'd rather we focus on DLA and why he's behaving the way he is.



                    I think that's a given.



                    No doubt.
                    He's had a mental breakdown?
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                      He's had a mental breakdown?
                      He's evincing behavior that's disturbing similar to cult characteristics--the persecution complex, the "us versus the world" false narrative, etc. I'm becoming seriously concerned.
                      Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

                      I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by fm93 View Post
                        He's evincing behavior that's disturbing similar to cult characteristics--the persecution complex, the "us versus the world" false narrative, etc. I'm becoming seriously concerned.
                        Who isn't? I'm pretty sure fundy atheists are a vocal minority. And that jerks that persecute(for a mild definition of persecute, i.e. they ain't murderin' us) Christians in developed countries are a vocal minority. Or, I just still want a somewhat optimistic veiw of humanity.
                        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                        • #42
                          Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
                          1 Corinthians 16:13

                          "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
                          -Ben Witherington III

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                          • #43
                            The only way atheism can win is if God is not God. Friedrich Nietzsche is also wrong.
                            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                              My butthurt? What are you talking about?
                              Butthurt over getting whipped too many times.

                              What makes you think that his ideas are derived from liberation theology?
                              Post #1: "Thus, I created a variant of Liberation Theology: the best way to fight the athee, if all else fails, is through force of arms; stand up for your fellow believers and put down the Godless that mock you."

                              I've always connected liberation theology with a type of religious progressive socialism that had a heavy focus on the working class, not on aggressive violence against Christian detractors. It's usually portrayed as something Catholic, South American, and pro-Marxist. Nothing in DLA's posts seem to hint at that to me. Just out of curiosity, who are some of the leaders, or name of the groups of the violent form of liberation theology that you're referring to?
                              It's pretty well known that some (but not all) liberation theologians advocated the validity of Marxist-style revolutions which includes physical violence to bring about revolution; many priests and nuns embodied such beliefs by joining violent resistant groups.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                                Uhoh! Not this again!

                                Are we going to get in another argument about riposte? Saying that stupid arguments are stupid is not the same as wishing to kill fundy atheists. If a fundy atheist was in need of life saving first aid, we'd give it to him.
                                Precisely, which is why Adrift's claim that it is the cause of DLAbaoaqu's violence is rather ridiculous, not least because it ignores the strong possibility that is accompanied by flashing red neon signs and a blaring siren - violent liberation theology.

                                Thus the diagnosis of butthurt: even when almost certainly irrelevant he couldn't help dragging aggressive dialogue into the matter. So yes, DLAbaoaqu needs to be helped but Adrift's idiocy needs to be called out too.

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