Godincidence...

[whag]

And your opinion matters why?

Because I represent those who haven't recieved divine messages and ended up dying in a car accident. IOW, my opinion matters just as much as yours (and also has the distinct advantage of making more sense).

[seer]

Because I represent those who haven't recieved divine messages and ended up dying in a car accident. IOW, my opinion matters just as much as yours (and also has the distinct advantage of making more sense).

More sense based on what? Your irrational mindset?

[whag]

More sense based on what? Your irrational mindset?

It's more irrational to think that God made you say something that prevents a death.

[JonathanL]

It's more irrational to think that God made you say something that prevents a death.

Only if you don't think God exists in the first place.

[seer]

It's more irrational to think that God made you say something that prevents a death.

How do you know that? Based on what?

[whag]

How do you know that? Based on what?

Occam's razor is sufficient for me. Basically you're saying he's alive because you uttered a pretty common thing to say. Even though you never said it before doesn't mean that God told you to do it in this case.

[whag]

Only if you don't think God exists in the first place.

You're coming at it from a different bias. Forget that. We understand that. Now just try to understand why skeptics would regard this incident as explicable and nothing to attribute divine intervention to. Heck, even a good percentage of Christians would be wary of calling this what seer is calling it. Seer has a tendency to think these events are absolutely mind blowing. It's a corny way to evangelize.

[seer]

Occam's razor is sufficient for me. Basically you're saying he's alive because you uttered a pretty common thing to say. Even though you never said it before doesn't mean that God told you to do it in this case.

You mean Occam's razor as developed by the Franciscan friar and theologian William of Ockham? I doubt that he would agree with you since he believed, strongly, that God did interact with the world... Now where does your irrationality go?

[seer]

You're coming at it from a different bias. Forget that. We understand that. Now just try to understand why skeptics would regard this incident as explicable and nothing to attribute divine intervention to. Heck, even a good percentage of Christians would be wary of calling this what seer is calling it. Seer has a tendency to think these events are absolutely mind blowing. It's a corny way to evangelize.

Did I make an absolute statement on this event bonehead? What did I actually say: This seems like more than a coincidence to me...

[whag]

Did I make an absolute statement on this event bonehead? What did I actually say: This seems like more than a coincidence to me...

Yes, but why would you expect for skeptics to see it the way you do? You simply can't evangelize if you can't process simple skeptical objections. Calling me bonehead isn't helping you.

[whag]

You mean Occam's razor as developed by the Franciscan friar and theologian William of Ockham? I doubt that he would agree with you since he believed, strongly, that God did interact with the world... Now where does your irrationality go?

Yes, him. And, no, just because he was a theist doesn't mean he'd advocate using this event as a possible proof that God made your son recall your admonishment to "drive carefully."

[seer]

Yes, but why would you expect for skeptics to see it the way you do? You simply can't evangelize if you can't process simple skeptical objections. Calling me bonehead isn't helping you.

So you speak for all skeptics? Perhaps others are more open minded than you.

[seer]

Yes, him. And, no, just because he was a theist doesn't mean he'd advocate using this event as a possible proof that God made your son recall your admonishment to "drive carefully."

And you know that how?

[Yttrium]

My best coincidence:

While in college, some fellow students and I went to another nearby college for some event. I just happened to run into a fellow high school classmate there. These colleges are practically on the other side of the country from my high school.

My high school class had 12 students.

I'm not drawing any conclusions here.

[whag]

So you speak for all skeptics? Perhaps others are more open minded than you.

I think it's safe to say I represent a major skeptical objection: that nothing about you uttering "drive carefully" to your son indicates a divine origin. Your son could very well have been cool and collected under pressure.