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Licona Tells a Demon Story
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Originally posted by whag View Postapology accepted. again, my disbelief in incarnate demons and demon possession is irrelevent to the fact that Licona told an amazing story with fascinating implications. i apologize for exploring the subtext of that story."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThe problem is whag, nobody believes you are interested in the story, but most believe you are here to troll and don't waste their time with you. Why should I or others waste our time when it is clear you're not interested in hearing anybody out anyway?
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Originally posted by whag View Posthearing anybody out on what?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnything. You're the one that post trolling little comments like, "This is your brain on Christianity." Why should anybody waste their time on you?
if that were true, the US would be overrun with ghouls. there are conversions aplenty all the livelong day here.
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Originally posted by whag View Postyou mean waste their time explaining how that's plausible? I brought it up because it's a funny story, not because I'm on the fence about it. I don't believe a devil assigns demons to threaten inconsequential villages because a few Muslims got converted. That is silly.
if that were true, the US would be overrun with ghouls. there are conversions aplenty all the livelong day here."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAKA you're here to mock and insult and thus a waste of time. Thanks for admitting to being an obvious troll.
How do you know we are not?
Originally posted by LPOTHave you ever read The Screwtape Letters? The road to hell is not one full of signs and guidepost. In reality, the road to hell is such a gentle slide that you hardly notice until it is too late. That is a major point that CS Lewis made in that book. Do you really think most or all demons would be making huge shows of it or are they much more sinister then that?
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Originally posted by whag View PostUm, because those who agree that possession happens say it's rare. I don't see naked men running maniacly through the neighborhood possessed by demons. That's how the bible describes possession. If you saw that, you and Licona would conclude it's a demon possessed person that needs an exorcism. Whereas I'd conclude that person needed treatment for mental illness.
Yes, I've read screwtape letters. It's about hell's bumbling operation to secure souls on earth. It's a funny book that's meant to be satire. Do I think it represents reality? Well let's walk through the book and discuss it. I'm game. Should we start with chapter one?
BTW No I do not want to discuss the book, chapter by chapter with you because I think you're a troll that doesn't get the message of the book to begin with."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWhere is it stated that the majority of demons would want to possess everybody or do it very often?
Originally posted by LPOTSecond, why at you assuming that I would assume it is a 'demon possession'? Where did you get that idea from or do you have some kind of magical mind reading powers and automatically know what my responses are going to be?
the context is manifestation and motive. it's not just "are demons currently floating about us" but "what powers they have and how they affect our senses." Listen to Licona's story. read about exorcism accounts.
Originally posted by LPOTA book being a satire doesn't mean it doesn't teach you valuable things whag. It teaches a very important lesson about how evil often works. Wormwood is the classic example of how demons would be seen in culture. He wants to get people to do very evil things while Screwtape is the opposite. He says the best path to hell is the gradual one. What one do you think works better and one what is the most sinister one?
Originally posted by LPOTBTW No I do not want to discuss the book, chapter by chapter with you because I think you're a troll that doesn't get the message of the book to begin with.
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