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      Dam Problems

      This is a letter sent to a man named XXX XXXXX by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan.

      This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter.

      SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County

      Dear Mr. XXXXX:

      It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

      Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.

      Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

      The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.

      We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31,2004.

      Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.

      Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

      We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.


      Sincerely,

      XXX X. XXXX District Representative Land and Water Management Division


      ** This is the actual response sent back: **


      Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County.

      Dear Mr. XXXXX,

      Your certified letter dated 12/17/04 has been handed to me to respond to.

      I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at NNN XXXX, XXXX, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris."

      I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

      As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

      My first dam question to you is:

      (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers

      or

      (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

      If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

      I have several concerns. My first concern is... aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation, so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.

      The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.

      If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers, but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter... they being unable to read English.

      In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond.

      If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

      So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2005? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

      In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

      If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)

      Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

      Thank You,

      XXXX XXXXX & The Dam Beavers
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      That is the best thing I have read in many a moon! Thanks for sharing that.
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      Re: Dam Problems

      Quote Originally posted by themuzicman
      This is a letter sent to a man named XXX XXXXX by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan.

      This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter.

      SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County

      Dear Mr. XXXXX:

      It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

      Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.

      Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

      The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.

      We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31,2004.

      Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.

      Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

      We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.


      Sincerely,

      XXX X. XXXX District Representative Land and Water Management Division


      ** This is the actual response sent back: **


      Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County.

      Dear Mr. XXXXX,

      Your certified letter dated 12/17/04 has been handed to me to respond to.

      I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at NNN XXXX, XXXX, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris."

      I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

      As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

      My first dam question to you is:

      (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers

      or

      (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

      If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

      I have several concerns. My first concern is... aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation, so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.

      The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.

      If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers, but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter... they being unable to read English.

      In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond.

      If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

      So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2005? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

      In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

      If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)

      Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

      Thank You,

      XXXX XXXXX & The Dam Beavers
      that is awesome! Leave the Dam Beavers alone!

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      Re: Dam Problems

      Funny, but not real.
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      Re: Dam Problems

      Quote Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
      Funny, but not real.
      Things don't have to be real to be funny, Jimmy.


      Like a lot of the stuff you have written in the past that look like news articles.


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      Re: Dam Problems

      Quote Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
      Funny, but not real.
      Real, just altered a bit:

      Claim: The state of Michigan threatened local beavers with a $10,000 per day fine for failing to remove their dam.

      Status: True.

      Example: [Collected on the Internet, 1998]



      source

      It appears that the guy was maintaining the dams himself (the beavers had left or been killed depending on who you believe), and tried to embarrass the DEP into leaving him alone.

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      Quote Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
      Funny, but not real.
      it is funny anway and nobody cares as long as it is funny!!!!!!!!!!!
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      That's awesome.

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      "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

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      Quote Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
      Funny, but not real.
      Every party has a party-pooper....
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      Re: Dam Problems

      Quote Originally posted by One Bad Pig
      Real, just altered a bit:

      Claim: The state of Michigan threatened local beavers with a $10,000 per day fine for failing to remove their dam.

      Status: True.

      Example: [Collected on the Internet, 1998]



      source

      It appears that the guy was maintaining the dams himself (the beavers had left or been killed depending on who you believe), and tried to embarrass the DEP into leaving him alone.
      Well, I knew it was dated, but figured it must have been false.
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      Quote Originally posted by themuzicman
      Every party has a party-pooper....
      *yeathat*
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      Re: Dam Problems

      what ever it is. i think it is one of the funniest things i have ever heird
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      While I thought it was cute, it makes me wonder about the decorum policy here. Is blatant double entendre acceptable? I've been moderated before for writing the initials of an offensive phrase, for it being "masked profanity", but the blatant use of "dam" as an adjective where it is otherwise unecessary, undoubtedly meant as masked profanity (which is part of the humor), is okay? Are double entendres okay? It's so confusing to a hethen like me.

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      Well, MM ran it past Faramir first in order to see if it was okay. When in doubt, ask.
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