Millennial flavors

[Chytraeus]

Sorry for posting after a long time again, but I was just noticing this response again, and I want to recommend "Candide", by Voltaire as some reading for anyone who believes this is the best of all possible worlds. It's a great story, and very insightful...

Read it back in college. Of course, it was post-mil Calvinists he was making fun of. If he had understood the Armineans better he would have been making fun of them too, instead of putting them in such a warm glow, but that's my not-so humble opinion. Interesting request Voltaire made at the end of his life. He wanted to be buried half in and half out of the church cemetary, just in case he was wrong. Me thinks that where his feet were buried made little difference when he stood before the Lamb on His throne.

[John Goddard]

Pre, based on:

Daniel 9:27 Messiah is cut off in the midst of the 70th week when he curses Jerusalem to be desolate of proper sacrifice Matthew 23:38, Malachi 1:11-12, 4:6.

The last week stops for Jews as does their favor with God Matthew 21:43, and now it's the time of the Gentiles:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

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Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

So now almost 2000 years after Jesus left, the whole world pretty much knows about Jesus through missionaries, media, etc. Where just a few hundred years ago Native Americans, Africans, etc. had no clue who Jesus was.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

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Matthew 24:24-25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.

We also have a restored Israel, which is mistakenly seen by Jews as their Redemption instead of Jesus. The last Israel was Herodians + Rome that sent Jesus to the cross, the first Antichrist.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Two Horn Kingdoms, Lamb Jews + Dragon Gentiles, like Herodians + Rome.

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So now the time of the Gentiles is done, we have a restored Israel + Gentile powers like Rome rejecting Jesus as their King, back to the end of the first half of Daniel's 70th week, and the clock starts ticking again into the last half of the 70th week:

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Jews finally see the light.

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So we have 2000 years to Jesus returns and the First Resurrection and Millennium:

Hosea 6:2 After two days (2000 years) will he revive us...

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Then after 3000 years Satan is destroyed, Judgment, then a new heaven and earth.

Hosea 6:2 ...in the third day (3000 years) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

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1 day = 1000 years also applies to this dual prophecy, which again works out to 3000 years after the 1st Century and a 1000 year Millennium starting 2000s AD:

John 2:19, 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up...But he spake of the temple of his body.

Literal 3 days physical resurrection of Jesus, as well as 3000 years Jesus is raised even higher as the Temple of New Jerusalem:

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

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So all in all, it appears that the Millennium is right around the corner. But not yet.

[BB10]

Right now, Pan...

[Chris D]

Amillennial, in that I believe we are in the so-called Millennium now and thus reject Premillennialism, and in that I do not believe in the "Golden Age" concept in Postmillennialists.

[AlphaBravo]

I am a longtime student of escatology but i have mostly studied ancient primary sources and only a few modern commentators so i'm not completely conversant on all the categories. I voted post-millenial and it is encouraging to see that this is a strong second in the poll. I like to think that most amillenials are future post-millenials :) I think that many amillenials are on the fence or maybe are just a little disinterested in the details. Many of my close aquaintances are amillenial but I have found that most of them would not be adverse to post-millenialism if they came upon a chronology that worked. To this end I think that quantum leaps have been made in the last 20 years by some very bright scholars and historians and that post-millenialism will continue to narrow the gap with amillenials and distance themselves from the premillenials. Ok so maybe it will take another 1000 years, but the vigor of the premillenials will wear out i think and the amillenials will tire of the oversimplification and the double standards.

[Zoli]

:) Trend, just show that the time is near mates.
I am Dispensational. :)

[Rach1370]

Hey guys! I'm new here but already enjoying the back and forth between everyone here!

I'm Amil...and I have to say, it's very nice to find a spot where I'm not the only one! Another board I frequent I feel like a diseased heretic! Yeah...they're not too understanding about various ideas...
It's kind of been a long journey to reach Amil...started off as Pre-trib Pre-mil!! But very peaceful where I've landed...feel for sure I've been led here!

[KingsGambit]

Welcome to TWeb, Rach! We definitely have a wide variety of viewpoints on that issue here, and it's definitely something Christians can legitimately disagree on.

I'm pan at this point in time.

[Rach1370]

Hi Gambit!! I very much like that you guys can 'argue' end times without accusing each other of being damned. Despite our different Millennial views we all just enjoy knowing that Jesus is coming back! That's really the important point, and I feel the more we talk about it, examine the ways the bible talks about it, the more we honour Him and long for that return...so, it's all kinda cool and exciting. In my opinion anyway.

[Ged]

Amillenial. I found Kim Riddlebarger well worth reading on this subject.