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The Inner Life: Beyond Science?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOne wonders pancreasman if everything is so vague and up in the air for you why not just assume that God exists? At least it would bring some sense of hope to your life...
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI have a sense of hope in my life right now. It is all a wonder I don't have to believe anything to feel good. I feel good already.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI have a sense of hope in my life right now. It is all a wonder I don't have to believe anything to feel good. I feel good already.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI hope I'm not out of line, but I do recall you saying in one of my threads that you suffered from bipolar disorder, and was easily tipped into depression by others being nasty or condescending. Do you believe this is entirely physiological, or is it possible at all, do you think, that one's mental state can depend upon their overall worldview? I'm not trying to imply that there aren't those who assume God exist and have no hope, I'm certain such people do exist, but...I don't know, guess I'm just stirring the pot a bit since I can see seer's perspective to some extant.
In any case, I'm sure you don't recommend someone believe something JUST to make themselves feel better? If the truth turns out to be bitter, we do our best to cope with it, not pretend it is not so.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI was bipolar as a Christian and now I'm bipolar as a non-Christian. My form of bipolar is at its foundation a brain chemistry phenomenon. To be sure there are 'triggers' that may incite depression or mania but the potential is always there. I am fortunate to be under the care of a good psychiatrist and a good medication regime. If I recall several other Christian twebbers are in similar positions. It therefore seems unlikely to me that philosophical worldview has much impact on these brain chemistry problems.
In any case, I'm sure you don't recommend someone believe something JUST to make themselves feel better?
If the truth turns out to be bitter, we do our best to cope with it, not pretend it is not so.
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Originally posted by seer View PostOne wonders pancreasman if everything is so vague and up in the air for you why not just assume that God exists? At least it would bring some sense of hope to your life...
Originally posted by seer View PostMax, you may follow the lead of others who have waded deep into the irrational world according to Shuny and put him on ignore...
Ah seer, “denial” is your middle name.Last edited by Tassman; 05-26-2015, 10:58 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Adrift View Post
Well, yes and no. I don't think it's wise for one to pin their entire worldview only on that which makes them feel better, but I think that if real joy is a promised result of a worldview, and it manifests in those who hold it, then it might be helpful to keep in mind in a cumulative case for it.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIrrational!!! You mean like assuming a god exists because it makes you feel good; gotcha! And if rational people like shunya upset your cozy world of assumed ‘feel-good’ deities just declare them "irrational" put them on “ignore”. That’ll show ‘em.
Ah seer, “denial” is your middle name.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, how about that human rationality, and an intelligible universe makes more sense if it was created by a rational God, than by the non-rational forces of nature.
And Shuny does not upset me - he is just whacked. Look at his recent exchange with Max.
This coming from a fundy atheist...“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere’s no good reason to think the universe was “created” at all and certainly no substantive evidence that a creator deity "did-it".
You’re projecting your own “fundyism” onto me.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, the universe had a beginning.
Of course you believe in the god multi-verse
... Which we have zero evidence for.
http://www.space.com/18811-multiple-...-theories.html
Conversely, there no substantive evidence of any kind for the god-did-it model. None!
Oh please Tass, you are the most closed minded fundy atheist on these boards. Rejoice in that reality..
Scientific methodology is the acquisition of new knowledge based upon physical evidence using observations, hypotheses and deductions to develop testable, falsifiable theories, which can also make predictions. These theories are reinforced by continuing experiments from which further technologies and theories can develop. Any science NOT having ALL these components, like ID, is pseudo science.
Conversely, Intelligent Design, which you seem to favour as a Christian "fundy", is based on the unproven assumption that the universe must have had a creator or designer, the implication being that the Designer is God. ID cannot stand as equal to true science because it does not follow the scientific method. It does not have a research programme capable of producing true Scientific Theories that can be tested, replicated or provide predictions. This is what a "closed minded fundy" is.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOh right! You know this do you? Evidence please.
We don't have sufficient evidence to arrive at a firm conclusion at this stage, but it seems likely.
There's nothing closed minded about requiring evidence for what one believes, quite the reverse, which is why I support scientific methodology.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo you believe our present universe is eternal into the past? You deny the big bang theory?
No, nothing seems likely. There is zero evidence for this fantasy. But I will not deny any man his fantasies.
“Though the concept may stretch credulity, there's good physics behind it. And there's not just one way to get to a multiverse — numerous physics theories independently point to such a conclusion. In fact, some experts think the existence of hidden universes is more likely than not”.
http://www.space.com/18811-multiple-...-theories.html
But you prefer to believe in the cosy notion of a divinely created universe as put forward in mythological creation myths deriving from Bronze Age fantasies and for which there is “zero evidence”. Quite the reverse; the available evidence contradicts the biblical creation narratives.
Of course, that is exactly what a fundy atheist would say. If you are anything Tass, it is that you are predictable.
“When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things”. (1 Cor 13.11) I.e. childish things like believing in fairy tales. Grow up, seer.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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