Tribulational Flavors

[Geoffrey]

I didn't vote because my belief is not represented in the poll. I believe that the Great Tribulation is the passion of Jesus. I am following Eugenio Corsini's The Apocalypse: A Perennial Revelation of Jesus Christ in this.

[stevesherri]

I am Futurist. In fact, if the European Neighborhood Partnership happens to be the Confirmation of the Covenant, then on Jan 1, 2007 I will be a .... Presentist.

http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/2010.html

The Euro-Med agreement, however, failed in achieving its goals. So, the ENP is Solana's way of reviving and confirming his dying Euro-Med. Although the ENP is already being implemented to some degree, the so-called "new" ENP will begin on January 1, 2007. And, it will be financed by a new, seven-year funding instrument -- the European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI).

[Mordac]

I am Futurist. In fact, if the European Neighborhood Partnership happens to be the Confirmation of the Covenant, then on Jan 1, 2007 I will be a .... Presentist.

http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/2010.html

The Euro-Med agreement, however, failed in achieving its goals. So, the ENP is Solana's way of reviving and confirming his dying Euro-Med. Although the ENP is already being implemented to some degree, the so-called "new" ENP will begin on January 1, 2007. And, it will be financed by a new, seven-year funding instrument -- the European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI).

Well, now we know how this turned out.

[Dee Dee Warren]

bumping for noobs

[JonLanceBarker]

since i believe Matt. 24 was addressed mainly to the disciples, i would agree with the idea that the destruction of Jerusalem by Vespasian, Titus & co. pretty much fulfilled it.

(where in the Bible does it say that the Tribulation had to have been worse than the Flood? )

what did you expect? i'm a preterist!!
chiquita banana

[Storico]

*bump*

I've looked into this enough now to feel comfortable with identifying as an orthodox/partial preterist. It makes sense to me.

[paulnsilas]

hullo.
i joined today.
nice to find this site.
kinda found myself in a thread about the age of the earth, and wanted to paste the following info, but couldn't find my way back.

so, here's the info i discovered that has resolved that issue for me...FWIW.

paulnsilas
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[TyRockwell]

You've got quite a number of things right. But I hesitate to encourage you. Already your zeal is overloading your presentation.

Ty

[gharfish]

...and popping in between flown in articles is not good presentation. He had me and lost me at "...DEBUNKING...SILLY AND DANGEROUS...THING."

[abu njoroge]

I believe the time of the Pale horse has already past.

[John Goddard]

Jesus withered the fig tree which meant destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD (Matthew 21:19).

Then forward to the times before the Last Trumpet, the withered fig tree is restored and Jews are back in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:32).

Jerusalem is Aholibah the Harlot (Ezekiel 23:4) whose lover is Babylon (Ezekiel 23:17) so she has power in the world with the Gentile Beast (Revelation 17:2). Together they are the 2 Horns of the False Prophet (Revelation 13:11) which acts like Messiah restoring Israel (Isaiah 49:6) but speaks like a Dragon saying "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5) and thus a secular coalition of Jews and Gentiles that doesn't think they need God to rule the world like a Messiah.

So if a person can see all these things happen in a lifetime (Matthew 24:33-34) then we start in the 20th century and end in the 21st.

Which then with a day as 1000 years (2 Peter 3:8) we see:

Hosea 6:2 After two days (2000 years) will he revive us:...

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Hosea 6:2 ...in the third day (3000 years) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

With the First Sign of Jonah (Matthew 12:39) the Temple of his body rises after 3 days. With the Second Sign of Jonah (Matthew 16:4) Jesus is the Temple of New Jerusalem after 3000 years.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

2000 years for Jesus to return, 1000 years when Satan is bound, 3000 years to eternity.

[TyRockwell]

the withered fig tree is restored and Jews are back in Jerusalem

The fig tree was never, and never will be, 'restored.' "No man eat fruit from you ever again." Then, Matthew 24:32 told us that the seasons would be known by their signs. Jerusalem is still being trampled underfoot by gentiles, some of whom are descended from Jacob.

You are taking the Ezekiel reference out of context: Jerusalem is Aholibah the Harlot (Ezekiel 23:4) whose lover is Babylon (Ezekiel 23:17).

No, Israel was going after false gods at the time and was being warned of the judgment that would come with the Babylonian invasion, and Israel's dispersion and captivity, AT THAT TIME. It is a violation of the context to make that scenario apply past then, because Israel was restored into their covenant relationship with God, and became even more blessed than they had been, before, even under the reigns of David and Solomon. That is foretold in Ezekiel 36.

Your Ezekiel citations have no application to the Rev. 17 or the Rev. 13 references. The rest of that paragraph is also twisting and craming Isaiah and Genesis incorrectly into Revelation.

There were no 'two signs' of Jonah. Both mentions refer to the same three days and three nights in the belly of the earth.

[Cherith]

Good grief, this thread is still alive!? The great tribulation didn't last this long!

[John Goddard]

the withered fig tree is restored and Jews are back in Jerusalem

The fig tree was never, and never will be, 'restored.' "No man eat fruit from you ever again." Then, Matthew 24:32 told us that the seasons would be known by their signs. Jerusalem is still being trampled underfoot by gentiles, some of whom are descended from Jacob.

The fig tree is restored from being withered, it puts out leaves again, still no fruit. Jews are at the wall now.

You are taking the Ezekiel reference out of context: Jerusalem is Aholibah the Harlot (Ezekiel 23:4) whose lover is Babylon (Ezekiel 23:17).

It's quite in context, Jerusalem has always been the harlot carried away to Babylon, drunk on the blood of prophets.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

No, Israel was going after false gods at the time and was being warned of the judgment that would come with the Babylonian invasion, and Israel's dispersion and captivity, AT THAT TIME. It is a violation of the context to make that scenario apply past then, because Israel was restored into their covenant relationship with God, and became even more blessed than they had been, before, even under the reigns of David and Solomon. That is foretold in Ezekiel 36.

They wouldn't have lost the Temple again if that was true. Now there is a secular Israel raised when only Messiah is supposed to do it, one that doesn't claim Jesus as its king. So here we go again.

Your Ezekiel citations have no application to the Rev. 17 or the Rev. 13 references. The rest of that paragraph is also twisting and craming Isaiah and Genesis incorrectly into Revelation.

You should show how they are incorrect, not just say they are. Which I think will be hard for you to do because they fit quite well. The NT is also "crammed" with prophecies of the Tanach as the authors thought they applied to Jesus, I'm doing nothing different.

There were no 'two signs' of Jonah. Both mentions refer to the same three days and three nights in the belly of the earth.

There are two adulterous generations, one in the first century, one now. So we have two signs before destruction of Aholibah.