Tribulational Flavors

[Jaltus]

If you really want to know, it is because another website "kicked out" all the preterists, so they all came here.

[Solly]

Wow!!

Just Solly passing by with his new DSL connection; couldn't even stop to comment!!

[Dee Dee Warren]

We are now swarming this site. Ugly ain't it?

[Faramir]

Dee Dee Warren:
We are now swarming this site. Ugly ain't it?

But seriously, I really do not want this to be seen as a preterist site. I know that that was never the intent.

But it is nice not to be in a overwhelming minority for once. I just hope it doesn't last. ;)

[adam.naranjo]

I pray for the Church -- that God might destroy pop-culture eschatology. I was a dispensationalist (hardcore) for years, and then I actually started reading the Bible without taking for granted the Christian pop-culture -- now I hold an orthodox preterist view and am a postmillennialist. (p.s. If anyone has any questions about Postmillennialism throw them my way -- I love to dispell the myths and preconceptions)

Books to read:

He Shall Have Dominion: Postmillennial Eschatology (2d ed.)

Greatness of the Great Commission


Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope

The Victory of Christ's Kingdom: An introduction to Postmillenialism

Perilous Times: A Study In Eschatological Evil -- Great stuff on the book of Revelation

The Beast of Revelation -- Amazing and absolutely irrerfutable evidence that the "Beast" of revelations was "NERO CEASER", who's letters of his name adds up to 666 using hebrew numbering (which uses letters as numbers) -- in greek it adds up to 616 (greeks also used letters as numbers), some early manuscripts of Revelation actually say 616 not 666.
BUT, THE BEAST termonology is also used in a general sense to speak of the roman empire as a whole...not only a person...ahhh, just read the book. This and Furthure evidence leaves no logical room for doubt.

The Great Tribulation: Past Or Future? -- this is a debate on tape between Gentry and Tommy Ice (LeHays right hand man)... Gentry (partial preterist postmillennialist, smashes Ice) (PS LeHay will not debate anyone, instead he sends out tommy Ice to get smashed for him)

Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation (3rd edition) -- Again, the evidence stacks up showing that the book of revelation was written before the tribulation which ended with the desctruction of jerusalem is 70 a.d. (Just like Christ said, "there will not be one stone left standing on another" -- the temple was utterly destroyed, along with the disobedient covanent breakers, Israel -- just like when Christ said [just before the olivet discourse] 'the blood of all the prophets will be avenged on THIS generation" -- and "some here will not taste death until they see the kingdom come with powe" -- "this genereation will not pass away" etc...etc..)

Last Days According to Jesus

Adam.

[Faramir]

efta777:
I didn't learn most of these terms until I started to move away from the "pop culture" eschatology of LaHay and Lindsay. I'd never even heard the term Preterist before - I don't think they like to mention us.

I think you are right. When I finally abandoned the "pop culture" eschatology, I accidently ran across an article on preterism. My first reaction was "what kind of nonsense is this".

But after I read a little more on the subject, I began to see why LaHay and Co. don't want you to know about it.

Now I am one.



Preterist that is. :D

[Jaltus]

I knew about preterists right off the bat. I just don't think they can have a coherent reading of Revelation. err, then again, nobody really does. How about a less coherent reading of Revelation?

[Faramir]

Jaltus:
I knew about preterists right off the bat. I just don't think they can have a coherent reading of Revelation. err, then again, nobody really does. How about a less coherent reading of Revelation?

I will concede that as a possibility for now. I am just now getting comfortable defending preterism, in the OD and Revelation is hard enough for any position. I have not yet had the time to get to understand the finer points of Revelation from a preterist perpective.

However, am sure that Dee Dee would be more than happy to enlighten both of us. :D

[Dee Dee Warren]

Hey Adam... you are right on the money with those book recommendations. I can barely describe my first reaction when I firs heard of preterism, but suffice it say I thought it was one of the nuttiest things I had ever heard until I really examined the foundations, and well... the rest is history. I came kicking and screaming but here I am.

And Faramir, you know my heart has been that this site not be a preterist site, and though it is nice not to be in the minority for once, that is not reflective of the church as a whole, which we would like to this site to be. I have been going out of my way to invite competent futurist defenders such as my new friend Rusty from ThingstoCome.org, and I encourage others to do the same.

[Dee Dee Warren]

I am just now getting a pretty good handle on Revelation, and it is not that big of a bear for preterism at all. Of course, it is not without its problems, but considering in my last debate at another forum, I was told that the mark of the beast was an implanted global tracking device so that the antichrist knows where everyone is at... hey, I am pretty comfortable in my view. LOLOLOL!!!

[Faramir]

Dee Dee Warren:
And Faramir, you know my heart has been that this site not be a preterist site, and though it is nice not to be in the minority for once, that is not reflective of the church as a whole, which we would like to this site to be. I have been going out of my way to invite competent futurist defenders such as my new friend Rusty from ThingstoCome.org, and I encourage others to do the same.

Yes Dee I know. I agree. I thought I said as much, but with fewer words ;) (see bold)

Faramir:


But seriously, I really do not want this to be seen as a preterist site. I know that that was never the intent.

But it is nice not to be in a overwhelming minority for once. I just hope it doesn't last. ;)

[Ric]

I am an orthodox preterist, pretribulation, pretmillenial, Trinitarian. Read the Bible for my statement of faith.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Ric... huh??? How can you be a pretributional preterist???

[Ric]

Dee Dee Warren:
Ric... huh??? How can you be a pretributional preterist???

Maybe I have the definition wrong? But isn't a (partial) preterist one who believes that not all prophecy has come to pass?

[Dee Dee Warren]

Yes, but the Tribulation is not one of those things... the hallmark of preterism is that the Tribulation is long past. It is the resurrectoin and boldy coming of Christ and judgment that is yet future.