Tribulational Flavors

[Carl Smuda]

I voted Historicist. I have a few bookmarks on Historicist websites. But I cannot define what this means. It turns out, that I've risen to my level of incompetence. I've not time no mo. When you think of this one called Carl, please pray that I pass this community college police academy, okay? I would appreciate it. nevertheless, not my will but His be done.

Doesn't Historicism say the prophecies have been being fulfilled throughout the ages?

I can certainly follow along with the preterist's hallmark that GT has passed. (let those in JUDEA head for the hills) but world globalization and the erosion of civil liberties makes me wonder. I like the optimist point of view. But I wonder.

Dee Dee, I'm still reading that article on "continuation". so far it sounds like the same think as I think I understand covenant theology.

God Bless,
Carl

P.S. I just got off Historicist.com and oh-oh. I'm not feeling comfortable. I'm holding a bizarre chart I just printed in acrobat that is some overview of Revelation by Jason Potts. It seems that the book ends with 1917 A.D. - 2nd Advent; World Wars...or no! wait,

right now we are in the following all at once: The seventh seal. The seventh trumpet. the third woe. the seventh vial. Judgment of Papal Roman Empire. Laodiccea (historical progress of the nation of Israel). Revelation 3:14-22. 1917 A.D. Power of the Holy People.

Can I change my vote? put me down for "I have no clue, pass the peanuts"

[Bill K.]

I usually simply refer to myself as a Preterist because I understand the Olivet discourse to have been fulfilled in 70 AD, but I noticed that another option in the poll was "double fulfillment." If this means that one sees both a fulfillment in 70 AD that ends the age of the Jews, and a Gentile-recapitulation of the same sinful course of the historical Israel that ends in the same tragic way, than I am in the "double" group.

Jesus: "When I return, will I find faith on the earth...?"

I have not read this thread all the way through. Are there others of my ilk posting here?

In Christ,
Bill

[Dee Dee Warren]

Dear Bill:

I probably should clarify what I meant by "double" when I posted the poll which would not be the position you just articulated... the "double" I was referring to was an exact refulfillment with the focus once again on Israel. You seem to be alluding to a Gentile typological refullfillment.

[Bill K.]

Yes, I am. Thanks for the clarification.

[Hitch]

02-20-2003 @ 12:20 PM
Bill K.:

I usually simply refer to myself as a Preterist because I understand the Olivet discourse to have been fulfilled in 70 AD, but I noticed that another option in the poll was "double fulfillment." If this means that one sees both a fulfillment in 70 AD that ends the age of the Jews, and a Gentile-recapitulation of the same sinful course of the historical Israel that ends in the same tragic way, than I am in the "double" group.

Jesus: "When I return, will I find faith on the earth...?"

I have not read this thread all the way through. Are there others of my ilk posting here?

In Christ,
Bill

Better sit down Bill.... 'Are there others of my ilk posting here?' Possibly a majority.


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[The Curtmudgeon]

Well, if Dee Dee's avatar will put that sword down for a minute, I'm voting 'futurist'.

If not, then I'll just s.l.o.w.l.y back out of range and then turn and run (got my practice doing rattlesnake hunts with my cousins).

The (running from my cousins, that is, not the mere snakes) Curtmudgeon

[Rubens]

I am on the fringe of understanding some of these terms myself.

Lets just say I reckon that Jesus raptures the believers, then there's the great tribulation which we all get to spectate from the mezzanine floor, then the second physical coming and reign, then the millenium...

So I am a pre-trib, pre-millenium "part" preterist, yeah?

On your poll therefore I should tick "futurist"?

Yikes, this is harder than I thought...

[studyhound]

Sorry to be so late in the game, but hey this my first day here so that makes me the newbie I throw my hat in with the preterist camp.

I will say that I am a recovering dispy. but have been clean for 4 years now and I feel'n great and my future is bright.

(I love these smilies )

Studyhound

[Dee Dee Warren]

Studyhound is cool. The first two posts are in my polls.



And you are not late in the game at all, this game's only been going since 1/26/03 so you are part of the elite few that in a few years can say, "Oh yeah, I was one of the first members."

Now be good and invite all your friends.

[Faramir]

03-06-2003 @ 02:01 AM
studyhound:

Sorry to be so late in the game, but hey this my first day here so that makes me the newbie I throw my hat in with the preterist camp.

I will say that I am a recovering dispy. but have been clean for 4 years now and I feel'n great and my future is bright.

(I love these smilies )

Studyhound

Welcome fellow former dispy. I've been clean for about two years now myself.

[Solly]

Am I hurting you my lad?

--No Sir, why.

I should be, I'm standing on your hair. GET YOUR HAIRCUT LAD!!

[studyhound]

03-06-2003 @ 02:01 AM
Dee Dee Warren:

Studyhound is cool. The first two posts are in my polls.



And you are not late in the game at all, this game's only been going since 1/26/03 so you are part of the elite few that in a few years can say, "Oh yeah, I was one of the first members."

Now be good and invite all your friends.

Its so good to be some were where I am understood.

I would invite my friends but I dont have any :cry: Just kidding they are all "non-theological" and dont like the division theology makes. Ill convert them yet

Studyhound

[Carl Smuda]

Rubens,
God Bless you in the name of Jesus Christ! Praise our Father in heaven who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in high places. How ARE things down under? I see your textbook pretrib-rapture. I respect that. I don't share your P.O.V. but I did for years. Then I concluded only one second coming at put me in the post-trib group. I didn't know that that was historical, or classical premillennial. Then I got so sick of "Left Behind" everywhere that I sought out alternatives to Dispensationalism and had no where to go but Covenant Theology. That opened it up to Postmillennial and finally, with the advent of Dee Dee, preterism. Although just between you and me I voted Historicism. I'm ex-Catholic. I guess I have the right to call the Pope 'the Beast' just like all those reformed protestants from the 16th century.
Sincerely,
Carl

03-01-2003 @ 06:42 PM
Rubens:

I am on the fringe of understanding some of these terms myself.

Lets just say I reckon that Jesus raptures the believers, then there's the great tribulation which we all get to spectate from the mezzanine floor, then the second physical coming and reign, then the millenium...

So I am a pre-trib, pre-millenium "part" preterist, yeah?

On your poll therefore I should tick "futurist"?

Yikes, this is harder than I thought...

[bar Jonah]

02-10-2003 @ 12:52 AM
efta777:

I didn't learn most of these terms until I started to move away from the "pop culture" eschatology of LaHay and Lindsay. I'd never even heard the term Preterist before - I don't think they like to mention us.

We open theists know just how you feel. The mainstream tries to pretend we don't exist, either. Try finding the Open View / Open Theism... or even "neo-theism" *shudder* in any theological dictionary or encyclopedia. I have yet to find one that even acknowledges we exist, despite the fact that, from what I hear, we are growing in number.

[efta777]

RI,
I'll definately agree with you there. I for one, would like to see the OVers represented at least in theology Dictionaries and the like, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. There are enough of you out there (Like preterists) that it shouldn't just be ignored.