I do have more interesting issues to address, but it appears worthwhile to start a thread for discussion, critique, dismissal etc. of my views on the matter (or your views if you prefer) since the other thread
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Reason and Emotion
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I can't quite resist:
Originally posted by mossrose View PostMary and Martha of Bethany are good examples of this. Martha is the practical, "let's get things done, we've got all these people to feed, Lord!" one, and Mary is the more sentimental gentle-hearted one who would rather sit and listen to the Lord than do anything else.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI think a whole person, a healthy person, maintains a balance between emotion and reason. We need both Spock and Kirk to be able to address situations in a fully human way.
The K/S characters in Star Trek are sometimes equated as if they represent two aspects of one individual instead of the two characters in the movies and TV series.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-24-2015, 08:43 AM.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAgreed in overall terms. But what do you mean by balance?
I'll try to think of some more examples.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI remember teaching children child safety courses where we asked to children to trust their feelings of alarm in situations where they had not yet consciously noticed danger.
Emotion can be manipulated by many many factors, such as sound, rhetoric, colour and peer pressure. One mark of maturity is to not be led by irrational emotion against proper reason, but to master emotion so that in the right situations it will properly spur and provide impetus. In general, one trains oneself in virtue so that all one's instincts may be ordered towards acting virtuously.
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Everyone has emotions. Reason is how we deal with our emotions and with precieved truth. If we let our emotions rule our reason we will be irrational in our decisions and actions. Understand this explanation as given here is very general.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostQuite, but that applies for dangerous situations for children who are not yet quite mature.
Emotion can be manipulated by many many factors, such as sound, rhetoric, colour and peer pressure. One mark of maturity is to not be led by irrational emotion against proper reason, but to master emotion so that in the right situations it will properly spur and provide impetus. In general, one trains oneself in virtue so that all one's instincts may be ordered towards acting virtuously.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostYou talk about mastering emotion and I understand what you mean but do we ever talk about mastering reason?
Isn't there some Bible verse about bringing every thought captive? I think both emotion and reason need some form of control, of moderation for the practice of virtue
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostYou talk about mastering emotion and I understand what you mean but do we ever talk about mastering reason? Isn't there some Bible verse about bringing every thought captive? I think both emotion and reason need some form of control, of moderation for the practice of virtue.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAn addendum of sorts: the renewed mind is a very major theme of Paul, and is completely bound with the work of Christ, as well as the indwelling of the Spirit, which is kind of a pity for you non-Christians, but it serves as an incentive too, I'd think.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostYes, I feel completely short changed in the mind stakes stuck with this T Ford model while Christians have Lamborghinis.
Rather (just to discuss one aspect) one's valuations changes so one should think differently, which is one major theme of Philippians:
So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord.
Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
I'd feel some incentive if I saw any evidence it actually meant something.
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