Kansas fluoride bill

[Catholicity]

Makes perfect sense. However, do be careful, even after they reach the age of three, with flavored fluoridated tooth care products. Some kids ingest them and get sick. THe biggest symptom is GI upset--affects that would damage bone or teeth usually take chronic doses of above safe levels.



In the case of some, like Joe Mercola, it's because he's trying to sell you his snake oil. (References available upon request, or you can look him up on Wikipedia or Rationalwiki.)

You've never seen kiddie tooth paste? There's one regarded for age's 0-3 with no flouride and one for age's three to 5 with a child appropriate amount of flouride (made by orajel dentist's use it, and its safe if a child swallows a negligable amount) and then there's the 5 to 10 age appropriate toothpaste. plus the yearly flouride treatments dentists use at their discretion and with age based levels. Again standard of care. That's normal and appropriate.
I think makers of age appropriate toothpastes include orajel, tom's of maine, jason, colgate and spry. It works well. Also the ADA reccommends that children under 6 be supervised if using flouride toothpaste. Again standard of care and general well being. Don't swallow a bottle of toothpaste as an adult or a child. that's just dumb. brush and spit.

[Outis]

You've never seen kiddie tooth paste?

My children are all grown. Such things are behind me.

[Catholicity]

My children are all grown. Such things are behind me.

Mine are not.

[klaus54]

It's a Commie.. err.. Terrorist plot!!!

[grmorton]

Rogue, One should actually do a google search before ridiculing something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

Note that this is from the National Institude of health.

[Darth Xena]

I love you Glenn (of course in a strictly platonic way)

[shunyadragon]

Rogue, One should actually do a google search before ridiculing something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

Note that this is from the National Institude of health.

glen welcome back!!! good reference.

[seanD]

Sounds like the folks in Lawrence have been listening to Joe Mercola. Try this: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...n-bad-science/

Joe or Harvard maybe.

[rwatts]

I've just been reading about the proposed bill in my state that would require a public warning to communities served by fluoridated water that there is a demonstrated link between fluoride and lower IQ in children. I seem inclined to view this with suspicion as I am not sure I even believe in the legitimacy of IQ to begin with, and it seems some dentists view this as on the level of a conspiracy theory. I thought I would run the issue by some of those with more of a science background to get more of an informed view on the issue.

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/09...-fluoride.html

Here in Oz, South Australia specifically, we've had flouride in our water for as long as I can remember. I've lost my hair, and have false teeth and Jorge thinks I'm stupid.

As for the "as long as I can remember", I cannot remember how long ago that was.

This information might help the consipracy theorists, so don't let them know it. :)

[Carrikature]

Rogue, One should actually do a google search before ridiculing something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

Note that this is from the National Institude of health.

From that paper:
Yeah...

[oxmixmudd]

Interesting. So the best guess based on the paper Glenn references is about a 0.5 degradation in average IQ. IOW, if the average population in a non-floride area has an IQ of 100, we could expect the average IQ in an area using fluoride to be about 99.5, with unspecified larger effects at the extremes. That is, the percentage of a population that is above genius level would decrease by more than .5%, and the number of people below the level identified as mentally handicapped would increase by more than .5%

Seems like something worth doing serious study to understand.


Jim

[rogue06]

Rogue, One should actually do a google search before ridiculing something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

Note that this is from the National Institude of health.

Can't a guy make a Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) joke around here?

Glad to see you around and I hope you're doing well.

[KingsGambit]

Update: The bill has died in committee.
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/24...bills-run.html

[Sam]

Rogue, One should actually do a google search before ridiculing something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

Note that this is from the National Institude of health.

[TheLurch]

Rogue, One should actually do a google search before ridiculing something. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/

Note that this is from the National Institude of health.

Note that it's not actually "from" the NIH; it's just hosted there. It originally appeared in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives. However, a few years back, the NIH adopted an open access policy on research from people it funded: they have one year to make any publications available to the public. The NIH offers to host the publications, which is why this PDF appears at the NIH site.

Generally, this is a Very Good Thing: the public gets full access to the research it paid for. However, that also means the public needs to do due diligence regarding research quality, validity of the conclusions, etc., and that the NIH does not endorse all findings that come out of the research it funds. Sam's comment immediately above is the sort of caution we need to exercise when looking at this materia.