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      Re: Jewish Sacrificial System and The Gentiles

      Quote Originally posted by mitzi
      Christian2;

      I want to take these statement once "inch" further and apply this to it:


      Before studying a passage or even before you study Torah/scripture, at all, what's the first thing you should do?

      Pray to G-d, to ask for His help so that your mind is open or your thoughts are open to that/those passage/'s, right! So in another sense you could be asking G-d to purify those thoughts in order for those passages to become clearer. Now read this:

      It is self-evident that the concepts of "purity" and "impurity" are Heavenly-ordained concepts; that is, they are not concepts that one can understand based on human intellect. Tu'mah (impurity) is not like mud or dirt, that through immersion in water one is cleansed. [Since purification is not dependent on the physical ability of water to cleanse,] it depends mainly on one's intent [to become pure through immersion]. Thus, [our Sages] say: One who immerses, but did not have the intent [of becoming pure], it is as if he never immersed.

      There is, however, a deeper concept here: Just as one who has intent to purify his body [from contamination], as soon as he immerses, he becomes pure, even though no physical change has taken place, so too, one who has the intent to purify his mind and soul from iniquity and evil thoughts, as soon as he makes up his mind to do so, and "immerses" himself in the "purifying waters of the mind," regarding him it is written (Yechezkel/Ezekiel 36:25), "And I will sprinkle upon you pure waters, and you will be purified."
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      7 Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD.

      8 How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

      9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?


      From Mitzi:


      I hope you understood what I was driving at concerning the passage (highlighted) and the rest of the passages posted.


      The Torah/Scripture has a great deal wisdom that can be open to those who ask G-d, if He chooses to reveal them. But I believe that scripture's wisdom can’t be based on anyone’s own human intellect. Anytime you study the Torah/Scriptures you should immerse yourself prayer to "purifying waters of the mind". Commentary notes:

      Tu'mah (impurity) is not like mud or dirt, that through immersion in water one is cleansed. [Since purification is not dependent on the physical ability of water to cleanse,] it depends mainly on one's intent [to become pure through immersion].

      It’s said: The Torah purifies the mind and through a purified mind, one can find and connect oneself to HaShem. You have to go into your studies with that thought in mind, right?


      Yechezkel/Ezekiel 36:25), "And I will sprinkle upon you pure waters, and you will be purified."


      Maybe these scribes didn't which brings up to line 9...."9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?"


      P.S.http://www.torah.org/learning/olas-s...5761/emor.html

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      Re: Jewish Sacrificial System and The Gentiles

      I think the following scriptures support the references and conclusions presented in my Post #18.

      References in Post #18:

      Exodus 19:4-6 declares the Jewish nation as a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. They were to be the means of intercession and atonement for the nations of the world.

      See the view of Talmudic rabbis in b. Sukkah 55b and Pesikta deRay Kanana, Buber edition, 193b-194a. You will see that 70 bulls were offered each year during the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot; see Num. 29:12-34). Rashi explains this to mean, "to make atonement for them, so that rain will fall throughout the world."

      According to ancient Jewish tradition, and based on the so-called Table of Nations in Genesis 10, there were a total of seventy (Gentile) nations in the world. See, e.g. Nahum Sarna, Genesis, The JPS Torah Commentary (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 1989) 67-70. Note the sacrifices were offered up for seven days, beginning with thirteen on the first day, then twelve, then eleven, etc., until the last seven were offered on the seventh day. Then, on the eight and final day of Sukkot, one sacrifice was offered. According to George Foote Moore in his classic work "Judaism: In the First Centuries of the Christian Era: The Age of the Tannaim (Peabody, Mass.: Hendrickson, 1997), 2:43, n.2. "These burnt offerings were made, according to an often repeated explanation, in behalf of the seventy heathen nations; the one on the eight day for the unique people of Israel. When the heathen destroyed the temple, they destroyed the atonement that was made for them."

      Also see: the Talmud and the words of Rabbi Yohannan: "Woe to the nations who destroyed without knowing what they were destroying. For when the Temple was standing, the altar made atonement for them. But now who will make atonement for them?" Blood sacrifices were indispensable.

      "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus," Volume Two, by Michael L. Brown, copyright 2000, Baker Books, Baker Publishing Group.
      Additional scriptures:

      Genesis 12: 2 I will make you a great nation;
      I will bless you
      And make your name great;
      And you shall be a blessing.
      3 I will bless those who bless you,
      And I will curse him who curses you;
      And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

      Numbers 15:28 So the priest shall make atonement for the person who sins unintentionally, when he sins unintentionally before the LORD, to make atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. 29 You shall have one law for him who sins unintentionally, for him who is native-born among the children of Israel and for the stranger who dwells among them.

      Exodus 12:48, And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.”


      It seems that it was always God's intention to share salvation with the Gentiles.

      As Jesus said: John 4: "22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews."

      Notice Jesus did not say, "salvation is only for the Jews."

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