Is Jesus God or a god?

[JB]

Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God CONTRARY to what Jesus declared that the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3).

Do Trinitarians know the meaning of the word "ONLY?" I bet they do!

Thank you for completely ignoring my question. You may now return to your scheduled life of being a complete theological and exegetical failure.


Or, would you care to try again?

[IncRus]

Thank you for completely ignoring my question. You may now return to your scheduled life of being a complete theological and exegetical failure.


Or, would you care to try again?

JB, don't Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God? Yes or No. If they do, then Trinitarians do NOT believe what Jesus said about the Father being the ONLY true God and Jesus being a MAN (John 8:40) - NOT God.

[ApologiaPhoenix]

I see Incrus is still using his same technique of caps posting and ignoring anything else anyone says.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

[IncRus]

I see Incrus is still using his same technique of caps posting and ignoring anything else anyone says.

Move along folks. Nothing to see here.

The word of God change NOT. And as long as John 8:40 and John 17:3 are found written in the Bible, my position concerning the nature of Jesus and of the Father will NOT change. And so is my style of EMPHASIZING the words of God.

[JB]

JB, don't Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God? Yes or No. If they do, then Trinitarians do NOT believe what Jesus said about the Father being the ONLY true God and Jesus being a MAN (John 8:40) - NOT God.

I'll answer your question if you actually answer mine. Deal?


And hey, in case you've forgotten my question somehow:

Do you believe that Trinitarians believe that Jesus is a man? Yes or no, please. I'm not looking for the typical obfuscation.

[adrian.c.clark]

Originally posted by IncRus
JB, don't Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God? Yes or No. If they do, then Trinitarians do NOT believe what Jesus said about the Father being the ONLY true God and Jesus being a MAN (John 8:40) - NOT God.

I don't understand please help. Incus does not accept that Jesus was God. Am I to therefore understand that he is a Jehovas Witness or other such sect that doesn't believe in the Diety of Christ?

[adrian.c.clark]

Originally posted by IncRus
JB, don't Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God? Yes or No. If they do, then Trinitarians do NOT believe what Jesus said about the Father being the ONLY true God and Jesus being a MAN (John 8:40) - NOT God.

I don't understand. IncRus does not believe that Jesus was God. Is he therefore a Jehovas Witness or other such religious sect that does not accept the deity of Christ?

[JB]

Originally posted by IncRus
JB, don't Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God? Yes or No. If they do, then Trinitarians do NOT believe what Jesus said about the Father being the ONLY true God and Jesus being a MAN (John 8:40) - NOT God.

I don't understand please help. Incus does not accept that Jesus was God. Am I to therefore understand that he is a Jehovas Witness or other such sect that doesn't believe in the Diety of Christ?

Yes, he's a member of a non-Trinitarian sect called the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC--hence his user name, IncRus) which got its start in the Philippines with a guy named Felix Manalo.

[IncRus]

Originally posted by IncRus
JB, don't Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God? Yes or No. If they do, then Trinitarians do NOT believe what Jesus said about the Father being the ONLY true God and Jesus being a MAN (John 8:40) - NOT God.

I don't understand. IncRus does not believe that Jesus was God. Is he therefore a Jehovas Witness or other such religious sect that does not accept the deity of Christ?

Jesus Christ believed that he is merely a MAN (John 8:40). Jesus Christ also believed that the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3).

Was Jesus Christ a Jehovah's Witness? Definitely NOT! Jesus Christ was a MESSENGER sent by God to SAVE His people from their sins (Matt. 1:21; John 3:16-18).

The Pharisees and the Jews considered Jesus Christ's group, which was first called "Christians" in Antioch (Acts 11:26), a SECT because Christ and his apostles taught doctrines that were CONTRARY to Jewish traditions.

Catholic Church and her Protestant daughters ALSO consider the group I belong to a SECT because, just like Jesus Christ and his apostles, our group teaches doctrines that are CONTRARY to Catholic and Protestant traditions.

[JB]

I love to WATCH IncRus continually opt to NEGLECT to ever bother to really ANSWER any of the previous POSTS in which I've asked him that one QUESTION, all while he continues to CITE certain verses like John 8:40 and John 17:3 like MANTRAS, even though no TRINITARIAN will actually DISAGREE with their CONTENTS.

[IncRus]

I love to WATCH IncRus continually opt to NEGLECT to ever bother to really ANSWER any of the previous POSTS in which I've asked him that one QUESTION, all while he continues to CITE certain verses like John 8:40 and John 17:3 like MANTRAS, even though no TRINITARIAN will actually DISAGREE with their CONTENTS.

John 8:40 and John 17:3 taken together prove that Jesus is NOT God.

JB is not telling the truth when he says "no Trinitarian will actually DISAGREE with their contents" because Trinitarians actually DISAGREE with or REJECT the contents of John 17:3 where Jesus says to the Father, "that they may know YOU (referring to the Father), the ONLY true God."

These two verses answer the following questions:

1. Is Jesus Man or God? John 8:40 says Jesus is a MAN.

2. Who is the ONLY true God? John 17:3 says the Father (John 17:1) is the ONLY true God.

3. Is Jesus God? No, Jesus is NOT God. Trinitarians make Jesus a FALSE God!

[faithymom]

John 8:58 shows that Jesus is the I AM of the OT.
Revelation shows Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. ALL titles reserved solely for Jehovah.
Colossians 1:16 shows Jesus to be the uncreated Creator of all
John 1 says the same thing. That Jesus created everything and absolutely nothing came into existence without him creating it...including himself!

And I don't know of any Trinitarian who would disagree with or reject John 17:3 .
I think you, IncRus, have a mistaken view of what the doctrine of the Trinity really is.

[OldShepherd]

John 8:40 and John 17:3 taken together prove that Jesus is NOT God.

JB is not telling the truth when he says "no Trinitarian will actually DISAGREE with their contents" because Trinitarians actually DISAGREE with or REJECT the contents of John 17:3 where Jesus says to the Father, "that they may know YOU (referring to the Father), the ONLY true God."

These two verses answer the following questions:

1. Is Jesus Man or God? John 8:40 says Jesus is a MAN.

2. Who is the ONLY true God? John 17:3 says the Father (John 17:1) is the ONLY true God.

3. Is Jesus God? No, Jesus is NOT God. Trinitarians make Jesus a FALSE God!

Anti-Trinitarian Bibles only have one verse in John 17, vs. 3. Their Bibles exclude verses 5 and 10.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and [all] thine are mine; and I am glorified in them

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[IncRus]

John 8:40 and John 17:3 taken together prove that Jesus is NOT God.

JB is not telling the truth when he says "no Trinitarian will actually DISAGREE with their contents" because Trinitarians actually DISAGREE with or REJECT the contents of John 17:3where Jesus says to the Father, "that they may know YOU (referring to the Father), the ONLY true God."

These two verses answer the following questions:

1. Is Jesus Man or God? John 8:40 says Jesus is a MAN.

2. Who is the ONLY true God? John 17:3 says the Father (John 17:1) is the ONLY true God.

3. Is Jesus God? No, Jesus is NOT God. Trinitarians make Jesus a FALSE God!

Anti-Trinitarian Bibles only have one verse in John 17, vs. 3. Their Bibles exclude verses 5 and 10.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and [all] thine are mine; and I am glorified in them

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I don't see how John 17:5 makes the Father NOT the ONLY true God.

While Jesus had glory with the Father before the world was, the verse does not categorically state that Jesus was PHYSICALLY with the Father when God glorified him. The truth is, Jesus received glory from God when God foreordained him before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:20).

Proof of this is when Jesus received glory from God when God said, "Here in my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" (2 Peter 1:17-18). God was in heaven while Jesus was on top of the mountain with his disciples (Matt. 17:5).

I also don't see how John 17:10 makes the Father NOT the ONLY true God.

In John 17:10, Jesus was referring to those whom the Father has given him (verse 9). Of course, these are his and the Father's too.

[IncRus]

John 8:58 shows that Jesus is the I AM of the OT.
Revelation shows Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. ALL titles reserved solely for Jehovah.
Colossians 1:16 shows Jesus to be the uncreated Creator of all
John 1 says the same thing. That Jesus created everything and absolutely nothing came into existence without him creating it...including himself!

And I don't know of any Trinitarian who would disagree with or reject John 17:3 .
I think you, IncRus, have a mistaken view of what the doctrine of the Trinity really is.

John 8:58 does NOT say that Jesus is the "I AM" of the OT. That's only what you think.

The Bible does NOT say that Alpha and Omega, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords are titles "reserved solely for Jehovah. What you say is self-serving.

Col. 1:15 says that Jesus is the "firstborn over all creation." Therefore, Col. 1:16 does NOT say that Jesus is the "uncreated Creator of all."

Apostle Paul says that God the Father is the "CREATOR of all things" (1 Cor. 8:6 TEV). Since Jesus says he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3), then the interpretation of John 1:3 that Jesus is the "uncreated creator of all" is also FALSE.