Racism is ugly...

[Spiritus Naturae]

...no matter what form it takes. Whether it be "White Pride", "Black Pride" or "Brown Pride" or any points in between. Placing one group of peoples as more important or more valuable than another is just wrong, no matter who perpetuates it. Race is a concept that keeps people divided and cloistered into groups that in reality do not exist and are based upon purely inconsequential similarities. I think "culture" can be taken to that extreme as well. Recent events here in Houston and in other U.S. cities in the West and Southwest have shown that to be the case.

A friend of mine sent me the following link to a site that I have to believe is only part of a fringe of lunatics. The racism can be summed up in the following selection from the link I've provided:

Europeans have a homeland: EUROPE.
We are only asking unwelcomed guests to leave our home.
Europeans have a home to go to,
it's not as if Europeans are being asked to go into the Atlantic Ocean.

http://www.mexica-movement.org/NOTEFOREUROPEANS.htm

People of "European descent", evil as we are, must leave the country of our birth in the eyes of this group. Unbelievable but this is truly what they hope for. Where would this kind of 'backtracking' stop? How far into history do we go to make sure that the original inhabitants of the various lands around the world are given back their respective "Homelands"?

[technomage]

...no matter what form it takes. Whether it be "White Pride", "Black Pride" or "Brown Pride" or any points in between. Placing one group of peoples as more important or more valuable than another is just wrong, no matter who perpetuates it. Race is a concept that keeps people divided and cloistered into groups that in reality do not exist and are based upon purely inconsequential similarities. I think "culture" can be taken to that extreme as well. Recent events here in Houston and in other U.S. cities in the West and Southwest have shown that to be the case.

A friend of mine sent me the following link to a site that I have to believe is only part of a fringe of lunatics. The racism can be summed up in the following selection from the link I've provided:

Europeans have a homeland: EUROPE.
We are only asking unwelcomed guests to leave our home.
Europeans have a home to go to,
it's not as if Europeans are being asked to go into the Atlantic Ocean.

http://www.mexica-movement.org/NOTEFOREUROPEANS.htm

People of "European descent", evil as we are, must leave the country of our birth in the eyes of this group. Unbelievable but this is truly what they hope for. Where would this kind of 'backtracking' stop? How far into history do we go to make sure that the original inhabitants of the various lands around the world are given back their respective "Homelands"?

That's ... well, "ugly" is certainly the right word for it. Or, at least, it's the best word that can be used without resorting to profanity.

[Durthorin]

That's ... well, "ugly" is certainly the right word for it. Or, at least, it's the best word that can be used without resorting to profanity.

I'm reminded of something I was told: History is the study of strong people finding weak people and taking their stuff.

[elysian]

...no matter what form it takes. Whether it be "White Pride", "Black Pride" or "Brown Pride" or any points in between. Placing one group of peoples as more important or more valuable than another is just wrong, no matter who perpetuates it. Race is a concept that keeps people divided and cloistered into groups that in reality do not exist and are based upon purely inconsequential similarities. I think "culture" can be taken to that extreme as well. Recent events here in Houston and in other U.S. cities in the West and Southwest have shown that to be the case.

A friend of mine sent me the following link to a site that I have to believe is only part of a fringe of lunatics. The racism can be summed up in the following selection from the link I've provided:

Europeans have a homeland: EUROPE.
We are only asking unwelcomed guests to leave our home.
Europeans have a home to go to,
it's not as if Europeans are being asked to go into the Atlantic Ocean.

http://www.mexica-movement.org/NOTEFOREUROPEANS.htm

People of "European descent", evil as we are, must leave the country of our birth in the eyes of this group. Unbelievable but this is truly what they hope for. Where would this kind of 'backtracking' stop? How far into history do we go to make sure that the original inhabitants of the various lands around the world are given back their respective "Homelands"?

Racism is uncalled for regardless of its origin, not to mention highly impractical. What I find a bit ironic about the Mexica Movement's assertion is the assumption that all the "Europeans" in North America are completely of European origin. My family's English ancestors can be traced back to the late 1600's- they came to Virginia- and several of them married and had children by native American women. This is true of many American families who have several generations in this country.

In some states native Americans were denied voting rights until the 15th Amendment was passed, so it was advantageous for those of native American lineage to acquire Anglo names and to pass themselves off as being of European descent. In West Virginia there are many families who are very close to being 100% native American but who have English names and vigorously claim English heritage because they have a handful of English ancestors. They embraced English names and heritage to better avoid discrimination, as well as to be able to vote and able to get the same jobs as white people.

It is highly unlikely that anyone who would claim to be 100% native American really is, any more than a person who is a multi-generation American of European descent is 100% of European descent. More importantly, after 500 years, why should anyone care?

Racism stinks. When are we going to get it that it's not about the color of a person's skin but it's about their integrity and character? Martin Luther King said this 40 years ago, but how many of us regardless of our ancestry have taken it seriously?

[Meh_Gerbil]

I found the website repulsive.
Get a professional web designer in there, stat!

[Epoetker]

Hmmm...:

70 to 100 million of our people were killed,
mostly using biological warfare in the form of smallpox .

Very little actual 'warfare', it's just that your race inbreeded too much and traveled too little to resist it. NEXT!

Massacres of our leadership that left us without
our warrior class and without an intelligentsia to mount a realistic way to resist the European invasions of our lands and our continent.

Your intelligentsia came up with that whole 'cut out hearts for the sun god' system, and your warriors all died subjugating the smaller tribes. Cortez would have NEVER been able to conquer Mexico without the full support of scads of Indian allies, guns notwithstanding. NEXT!

Destruction of our cities, libraries, education systems, and the culture of our languages and theology.

But for the European monks who made sure to transcribe the codices of the Aztec culture, you would have never known you had one. Still, after a fairly quick overview of the religion, I can safely say that that particular culture is one I'm glad hasn't survived into the modern world.

Theft of our farmlands, resources, and ownership of our continents ("North and South America").

Dead men plow no land.

Many more monstrous crimes that were savage, immoral, and beyond what would be expected of a supposedly civilized people:

T'weren't the civilized whom a civilization sent overseas, but I'd still take the rule of Cortez over the rule of Aztlan.

[NeilUnreal]

Do Anglo-Irish have to go back to Ireland, or back to England?

Because of my French ancestry, do I need to go back to the France they imigrated from, the Germany they lived in before that, or the Nova Scotia they most likely lived in before that, or the France they originally came from?

And there is a chance that some of my ancestors were Gypsies. Does that part of me need to go back to Europe or all the way back to India?

And what about Native Americans? Do later waves of of Native Americans have to leave areas that were first settled by earlier waves? Do all the Native Americans in Europe have to return to North America? Do Native Americans from Mexico now living in Canada have to return to Mexico?

Do the Japanese have to return to the continent and leave the islands to the Ainu?

Does everyone who moved from New York to Pennsylvania in the last ten years need to go back to New York (and vice versa)?

If we can't all learn to live together right now, wherever we are and whoever our ancestors were, we will never get along no matter where we go. There is no going back, only going forward with peace or with hatred. We can each decide: "I and my neighbor are labels," or "I and my neighbor are beings." The choice is ours.

-Neil

[Rahab]

Do Anglo-Irish have to go back to Ireland, or back to England?

Because of my French ancestry, do I need to go back to the France they imigrated from, the Germany they lived in before that, or the Nova Scotia they most likely lived in before that, or the France they originally came from?

And there is a chance that some of my ancestors were Gypsies. Does that part of me need to go back to Europe or all the way back to India?

And what about Native Americans? Do later waves of of Native Americans have to leave areas that were first settled by earlier waves? Do all the Native Americans in Europe have to return to North America? Do Native Americans from Mexico now living in Canada have to return to Mexico?

Do the Japanese have to return to the continent and leave the islands to the Ainu?

Does everyone who moved from New York to Pennsylvania in the last ten years need to go back to New York (and vice versa)?

If we can't all learn to live together right now, wherever we are and whoever our ancestors were, we will never get along no matter where we go. There is no going back, only going forward with peace or with hatred. We can each decide: "I and my neighbor are labels," or "I and my neighbor are beings." The choice is ours.

-Neil

Mais tu serais le bienvenu en France, Neil! Especialy since you can spell correctly "L'Etat, c'est nous"

And considering the multitude of invasions which affected La Gaulle, there is basicaly no such a thing as a true Frenchman or even an authentic mapping of France for that matter. Maybe one needs to move back to La Bourgogne, another to La Savoie etc etc... If you were cohersed somehow into moving back to your French ancestry, may I suggest you claim La Provence. Our fields of olive trees would give you ample material to sculpt from....

It would be quite a puzzle for me to define which ancestry I belong to where I would authenticaly fit. Quite a vast choice though between sarrazin ancestry from my Iberian born and raised relatives, hebrew ancestry from my paternal German great grand father, Piemontese from the maternal grand pa (we even claim Pope Pio X as a relative) and only God knows where the paternal grand ma from Luxemburg came from! To simplify the entire ordeal, I would just claim my native island.

[bandecoot]

...no matter what form it takes. Whether it be "White Pride", "Black Pride" or "Brown Pride" or any points in between. Placing one group of peoples as more important or more valuable than another is just wrong, no matter who perpetuates it. Race is a concept that keeps people divided and cloistered into groups that in reality do not exist and are based upon purely inconsequential similarities. I think "culture" can be taken to that extreme as well. Recent events here in Houston and in other U.S. cities in the West and Southwest have shown that to be the case.

A friend of mine sent me the following link to a site that I have to believe is only part of a fringe of lunatics. The racism can be summed up in the following selection from the link I've provided:

Europeans have a homeland: EUROPE.
We are only asking unwelcomed guests to leave our home.
Europeans have a home to go to,
it's not as if Europeans are being asked to go into the Atlantic Ocean.

http://www.mexica-movement.org/NOTEFOREUROPEANS.htm

People of "European descent", evil as we are, must leave the country of our birth in the eyes of this group. Unbelievable but this is truly what they hope for. Where would this kind of 'backtracking' stop? How far into history do we go to make sure that the original inhabitants of the various lands around the world are given back their respective "Homelands"?

What is truly funny is that if the Out Of Africa hypothesis is correct the whole world would have to go back to Eastern Sub_Shaharan Africa even Meso americans.

There are no Races, there is one race ....its called humans. Its a fynny concept but one whose time has come I feel.

[bandecoot]

I'm reminded of something I was told: History is the study of strong people finding weak people and taking their stuff.

Dont forget killing them. That's fairly important to add in there.

[Zeluvia]

This isnt racism, this is a reaction to racism that looks like racism.

Don't forget, when the Europeans first discovered the New World, one of the biggest Theological debates of the times was whether or not the native peoples were human, and if they had souls. Since there was no mention of them in the Bible, the common thinking was that they were animals with no souls.

Take the beam out of your own eyes, and go read some of the threads on immigration.
We are still trying to treat them like dogs.

[Durthorin]

Dont forget killing them. That's fairly important to add in there.

Not always.. enslaving them an treating them as property is in there.. as taking their stuff..

[yuzuha]

Except the purpetrators are all dead. And there are many whose ancestors had nothing to do with any of it either.

[Durthorin]

Except the purpetrators are all dead. And there are many whose ancestors had nothing to do with any of it either.

If my dad stole a car gave it to me then died.. I'd still have to give it back. i can understand how some people might resent us saying "Lets just go on from here and we get to keep everything taken from you.. after all *we* didn't take"

[Tobias Reiper]

Skimmed through it. Didn't hold my interest, mostly because I've been hearing it for almost four years, coming from a Cherokee instead of an Aztec.

I've already apologized to all of the natives I've stolen from, raped, and tortured. Out of the whopping zero I did these things to, all of them forgave me.

Now I understand their point of view about us being guilty through our ancestry, but they know as well as I do that I wasn't given a choice as to where I was born before my soul entered into my body. In fact, I wasn't really given a choice on any matter until I was five.

I have no problem with leaving the country, but I can't afford to pick up and go to Ireland, France, Germany, or England. My parents can't afford to send me, either, so unless they want to get me a ticket to Ireland I'm going to cash in on my 1/32 Cherokee heritage and stay right here.

And even if they did pay to send me, there's no doubt that my fiancé would want to go with me. How would they view that, though? She's of Indian heritage (not sure what percentage, but she can participate in the ceremonial dances (as opposed to inter-tribal) at pow-wows), but she's also of Irish, French, German, and English blood. Other than enjoyment of pow-wows, she considers herself white, much to her family's chagrin.

So would her going with me be a European taking away one of their women, or would it be getting another European who just happens to be between 1/8 and 1/4 Indian out of their land?

Truth is, not every Indian even wants us out of here. Sure my fiancé's sister feels that way now, but until she met her husband pretty much everyone she dated, including the father of her eldest daughter, was white. My fiancé surely doesn't want me out of here, and if I just picked up and left the country she'd sell everything she had and do whatever else it took to get the rest of the money to follow me.

I also doubt that two of my nearly half-blooded Indian cousins (by marriage) would want their white wives to leave.

And consider, for all of you Dr. Quinn fans, the man who played Cloud Dancing (and for you Wayne's World 2 fans, the naked Indian). Normally the Hollywood types are activists, and judging by the movies that came out in the 70's you'd expect the whole lot of them to be calling for the whites to go back to Europe, the Asians to go back to Asia, and the blacks to go back to Africa.

However, he's dating a white woman, and when I talked to him he didn't talk to me as if I were an oppressor or an invader. He talked to me as if I were just any other person. In fact, he seemed distraught at the fact that I wanted to be a stunt man, heavily emphasizing that even a fall from a chair could kill me, and talked at length about how if I develop my CG skills I can still be a stunt man without risking my life.

Now if the people who set this site up spoke for the majority of Indians I would have been marked for death almost four years ago just for dating one of "their" women. There would be uprisings all over the place. Cloud Dancing (his real name eludes me at the moment) would have helped me get into a position to become a stunt man in the hopes that one more "white devil" would be eliminated in an on the job accident instead of talking me out of it, which showed his concern for my safety (if he would have been indifferent he most likely would have told me what it takes to become one, instead of focusing on nothing but the risks).

I think we should treat this particular group like they treated the walking ads in that one Halloween episode of the Simpsons. Just don't pay attention to them and they'll crumble.