God wants people to freely choose Him - NOT!

[mickiel]

Greetings,

At whatever level you see a choice in what happened to the couple, at that same level I see their humam ability as being meaningless to change their destiny. satan easily seduced them, like candy in his hand, their ability to choose took absolutely no part in this confrontation they were destined to loose by any measure of fairness, and God is the greatest measure of Fairness and justice. God didnot interfere, that reveals to me he WANTED satan to win, there is no way in any amount of reason , that he would allow satan to CHANGE the human couples destiny.

I speak of fairness, because if any of you reading this, if you have two children, both under one years old, and you put them in your living room after giving them instructions, and YOU left them there alone. Then satan entered into your living room, and began a deception into the childrens minds. What choice do you think your children have at such an event, in the hands of such a great deceptive being as satan? Although the Eden couple were full grown adults, they were as children in satans hand. This was not a matter of choice, it was a matter of God being the Author and Finisher of all events that occur.

Its just that for some nieve reasonant, people think he was not the Author of the deception in Eden.

Peace, Mickiel.

It just goes to show you, the mind of christians think they hold the truth, they hold what the world reveals, we are in a trap of confusion. satan was allowed to place a grip on us in Eden, that grip has not been loosed. All christian opinon, as well as any other view, is gripped on satans influence. we fool ourselves if we think any different.

Welcome to the influence of satan. When Christ changes this, we will all know.

Peace, Mickiel.

[shunyadragon]

It just goes to show you, the mind of christians think they hold the truth, they hold what the world reveals, we are in a trap of confusion. satan was allowed to place a grip on us in Eden, that grip has not been loosed. All christian opinon, as well as any other view, is gripped on satans influence. we fool ourselves if we think any different.

Welcome to the influence of satan. When Christ changes this, we will all know.

Peace, Mickiel.

I agree that in this scenario it is of course, God's will that determines all in this case, but I do not believe the story is a literal true story. It is an ancient legend that reflects and ancient worldview of God. It can only at best be interpreted symbolically as the first humans to know God and a story of lost innocence of their animal nature and become spiritual beings with the knowledge that their will is capable of obeying an disobeying God.

It would an idealic naive illusion to believe that there was a time when humans were perfect immortal innocents in an idealic Eden.

[mickiel]

I agree that in this scenario it is of course, God's will that determines all in this case, but I do not believe the story is a literal true story. It is an ancient legend that reflects and ancient worldview of God. It can only at best be interpreted symbolically as the first humans to know God and a story of lost innocence of their animal nature and become spiritual beings with the knowledge that their will is capable of obeying an disobeying God.

It would an idealic naive illusion to believe that there was a time when humans were perfect immortal innocents in an idealic Eden.

Good points. Humans were never perfect, nor innocent.


Peace, Mickiel

[Bob the Builder]

As it isn't possible to freely choose something you don't actually believe in, I have to agree with the NOT! in the thread title

[WiredPixel]

Well they all could have, oh, I don't know, refused the covenant if they wanted to?