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Deeper Waters is founded on the belief that the Christian community has long been in the shallow end of Christianity while there are treasures of the deep waiting to be discovered. Too many in the shallow end are not prepared when they go out beyond those waters and are quickly devoured by sharks. We wish to aid Christians to equip them to navigate the deeper waters of the ocean of truth and come up with treasure in the end.
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostEven Adrift is calling you out for making gross sweeping generalizations and false statements about people you disagree with.
ThanksThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCan you please show me where Adrift called me out for making false statements about people I disagree with?
ThanksOriginally posted by Adrift View PostOriginally posted by Cow Pokeyou really can't have a calm reasonable discussion about race with a liberal without them finding some way of accusing you of being racist.
As well as:
Originally posted by Adrift View PostCP, sometimes you make some outlandish statements. You're my brother in Christ, and I love you, but just because that's true doesn't mean that I'm forced to take your side in every situation, or that I have to shut up when I see you say something I think is out there. I'd expect you to speak up too if I said something wonky, and I wouldn't conclude that I must have pissed in your Wheaties.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostAs well as:
What I asked was....
Can you please show me where Adrift called me out for making false statements about people I disagree with?
ThanksThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt was common knowledge for many years that homosexuality was a mental disorder, but the American Psychiatric Association changed its tune in response to intense political pressure and not because of a rigorous scientific study.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/he...cure.html?_r=0
In 1970, one year after the landmark Stonewall protests to stop police raids at a New York bar, a team of gay rights protesters heckled a meeting of behavioral therapists in New York to discuss the topic. The meeting broke up, but not before a young Columbia University professor sat down with the protesters to hear their case.
“I’ve always been drawn to controversy, and what I was hearing made sense,” said Dr. Spitzer, in an interview at his Princeton home last week. “And I began to think, well, if it is a mental disorder, then what makes it one?”
He compared homosexuality with other conditions defined as disorders, like depression and alcohol dependence, and saw immediately that the latter caused marked distress or impairment, while homosexuality often did not.
They scientifically observed, and have had that observation supported and reinforced throughout the decades, that there is a substantial difference between it and conditions that everyone agrees are disorders. They didn't just wake up one day and arbitrarily decide to declassify it. And that's why claims like:
To claim that homosexuality is normal and healthy is the anti-scientific position.
You can give me all the anecdotal evidence you want claiming that gays, as a whole, are happy and content, but if it's all the same to you, I think I'll trust the preponderance of studies which demonstrate the exact opposite.
Evidence that the depression is due inherently to being gay
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Evidence that the depression is due to societal factors:
--It's been shown that societal discrimination/prejudice can cause people to feel depressed and anxious, etc.
--Gay people specifically tell us that they started to feel depression/anxiety/self-loathing after they realized they were gay and that society wasn't accommodating to it
--After societal factors are controlled for (such as having accepting friends/family), gay people report experiencing relief and joy
Unfortunately most current studies start with the APA's unscientific premise and attempt blame mental health issues on "homophobia", but that, of course, begs the question.
You can't cure an illness without first acknowledging that a person is sick.
"...gay people who raise children aren't likely to believe that homosexuality is sinful, so of course children who see that their parents are gay and don't show any signs of being particularly bad, damaged people are going to also believe that homosexuality isn't sinful."
This is why it's such a fun statistic to bring up, because proponents of homosexuality don't even try and contest it.
Basically everyone, regardless of religion, believes that things like murder, adultery, robbery and rape are immoral. These are so widely agreed upon because those acts exhibit obvious, tangible signs of harm. Monogamous gay couples who don't engage in physically harmful practices, however, do not exhibit any obvious, tangible signs of harm. Their children, then, are basing their evaluation of homosexuality on data and reason. Even if you still want to insist that homosexuality is sinful, the evidence that those children are presented with does not warrant that conclusion.
Now if children raised by same-sex parents are more likely to be accepting of that particular form of deviant sexuality then it seems obvious that they will naturally support other forms of deviant sexuality or face some rather extreme cognitive dissonance.
As the American College of Pediatricians
Regarding your arguments against pedophilia, they're all based on the assumption that you're arguing from the moral high ground, but that's what opponents of homosexuality used to think, too, and now look where we are.
You claim that children are not mentally developed enough to give genuine consent, but do you think pedophiles have a moral problem with that any more than homosexuals have a moral problem with the fact that homosexuality deviates from the natural order?
Even more disturbing is how your argument that homosexuality's morally wrong appears to simply be that it "deviates from the natural order." That can't really be it. There are plenty of things that "deviate from the natural order," such as being conjoined twins or blind or deaf or autistic, but calling those and their related acts "immoral" is nonsensical.
I say again, for the pedophile this is purely a legal matter, not a moral one, and who are you tell them they're wrong?
For that matter, who's telling you that children are not mentally developed enough to give genuine consent? It wouldn't happen to be the same body of psychologists who used to agree that homosexuality was a mental disorder, would it?
And finally, you also ignored how I noted that prepubescent children by definition don't even have sexual attractions yet.
The same body that now says that being sexually attracted to children is not a mental disorder in and of itself but only if those attractions are unwanted or cause distress? It seems to me that it's only a very small step from there to the "discovery" that children are more able to give genuine consent than was previously thought. You don't think it'll happen? A lot of people never thought gay marriage would be legalized. And I have a feeling that the loudest voices in favor of pedophile rights will be from those raised by same-sex parents.Last edited by fm93; 06-29-2015, 11:09 PM.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Maybe one of the mods (wink, wink) could take care of moving the derail.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostMaybe one of the mods (wink, wink) could take care of moving the derail.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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