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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Here's the difficultly there, fm..... Christians (at least many of us) believe homosexuality is a sin. A "gay couple" has made the choice to perpetuate sin. It's more akin to anybody else who came to us and said, "I want you to accept me, but I want to continue sinning".

    Even with the woman caught in adultery, Jesus didn't say, "OK, cool - continue as you were". He told her "go and sin no more".
    Why focus on homosexuality so much? Why not all the violence, murder, and suffering on the Earth? There's not much advocacy by Christians on that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    You're absolutely right that Christians should be known by their love (the Bible says this almost exactly), and that we often aren't. That's bad. However, this particular situation is difficult because it seems as though any opposition to SSM or homosexuality at all is defined as hateful, so that Christians literally can't say, "I disagree with your lifestyle but still love you." At least, not without being dismissed as hateful and bigoted simply by definition.
    If I said that I believe Christianity should be against he law and that Christians are mentally-ill, would you take that as acceptance?

    Doubt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    Why focus on homosexuality so much?
    Ummmm... you can't open a newspaper without being hit in the face with it. Are you on another planet this week?

    Why not all the violence, murder, and suffering on the Earth? There's not much advocacy by Christians on that stuff.
    There's NOT!?!?! When we preach on loving our neighbor, we obviously don't want them to murder or be murdered, or be in suffering. And, perhaps you're not aware of all the "relief" organizations run by Churches and Denominations? Our Southern Baptist organization has a whole Disaster Relief section, and we're often in disaster areas before the Red Cross.

    You really have no clue what you're talking about here.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    If I said that I believe Christianity should be against he law and that Christians are mentally-ill, would you take that as acceptance?

    Doubt it.
    So you agree that Christians can't act lovingly toward homosexuals while maintaining traditional Christian beliefs? That renders most of fm93's point, as I understand it, basically inapplicable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    Why focus on homosexuality so much?
    Just out of curiosity, what other sin is there that declares "I want to REMAIN in sin, but I want to be accepted as normal"?
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ummmm... you can't open a newspaper without being hit in the face with it. Are you on another planet this week?
    Try this again.

    Why do Christians always focus on sexuality? WAY before we ever the gay-marriage debate we had Christians groups going around talking about homosexuality and how wrong it is -- before the gays ever got organized.

    There's NOT!?!?! When we preach on loving our neighbor, we obviously don't want them to murder or be murdered, or be in suffering. And, perhaps you're not aware of all the "relief" organizations run by Churches and Denominations? Our Southern Baptist organization has a whole Disaster Relief section, and we're often in disaster areas before the Red Cross.
    That's great. But where are the protests? Why is it that here in America where we have so much violence we don't see Christians mass marching in the streets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    If I said that I believe Christianity should be against he law and that Christians are mentally-ill, would you take that as acceptance?

    Doubt it.
    Jesus never taught us to accept sin.

    Again, even as He forgave the woman caught in adultery, His parting words were "go and sin no more".
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

  10. Amen RumTumTugger, Cerebrum123 amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    So you agree that Christians can't act lovingly toward homosexuals while maintaining traditional Christian beliefs? That renders most of fm93's point, as I understand it, basically inapplicable.
    You might believe you're acting lovingly but that's not what it actually is. You've been told that what you're doing is productive and loving, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Nothing.
    Very slick, CBW. You must be very effectual with that approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    You might believe you're acting lovingly but that's not what it actually is. You've been told that what you're doing is productive and loving, that's all.
    Then you confirmed my suspicion. Traditional Christian beliefs on this subject have been defined as unloving and hateful, so Christians can't actually be loving without compromising what they believe.
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