Osas Teaching

[Joe Gofish]

Can anyone tell how many Christians denominations believe in the once saved always saved teaching.
I belive that Baptsist do ,do you have any others.

[NeilUnreal]

I can only speak as a Southern Baptist, but yes, it is the most common view among Southern Baptists. Baptists do no have an official doctrine as such*, and there are always some Baptists in any congregation who do not hold to OSAS, but it is the prevelant opinion and the one generally preached.

-Neil

*In spite of attempts by some -- the Southern Baptist Conference being a major culprit -- to create a quasi-official Baptist doctrine. But then, to borrow a saying, the number of theological opinions among a group of Baptists is proportional to the square of the number of Baptists in the group...

[seer]

Can anyone tell how many Christians denominations believe in the once saved always saved teaching.
I belive that Baptsist do ,do you have any others.

All Reformed churches do....

[Reader]

All Reformed churches do....

Reformers hold to Perseverance of the Saints.

OSAS is held by those who teach decisional theology.

It is the notion that once a person makes a decision for Christ, they are saved and will remain saved, even if they fall away or fail to exhibit repentance from sin. This is gross error, based upon a false premise.

Perseverance of the Saints is the belief that salvation comes by the grace of sovereign God and that the conversion and sanctification worked by His Holy Spirit guarantees everlasting life. (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30) Christ abides permanently with the believer through the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Christian "perseveres" because he is "preserved" by the Spirit's intercession (Romans 8:26) and the mediation of Jesus Christ (I Timothy 2:5), who promised the Father He would lose none that the Father gave Him. (John 6:39)

[Kenite]

Can anyone tell how many Christians denominations believe in the once saved always saved teaching.
I belive that Baptsist do ,do you have any others.

No Christian believes in OSAS, a doctrine of demons. The parable of the sower is what Christians believe, and know from personal experience. OSAS followers betray their unregenerate condition.

And 'denominations' is a misspelling of 'demon nations'. There are those who are born again, and who will endure persecution to the end; and there are others, born to be destroyed- Catholics, Orthodox, Calvinists, Pentecostalists, etc., all of them no better than pagans, and often worse. All of the teachers of these beliefs will live in eternally in unbearable public shame and contempt, unable to hide their faces.

[seer]

Reformers hold to Perseverance of the Saints.

OSAS is held by those who teach decisional theology.

It is the notion that once a person makes a decision for Christ, they are saved and will remain saved, even if they fall away or fail to exhibit repentance from sin. This is gross error, based upon a false premise.

Perseverance of the Saints is the belief that salvation comes by the grace of sovereign God and that the conversion and sanctification worked by His Holy Spirit guarantees everlasting life. (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30) Christ abides permanently with the believer through the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Christian "perseveres" because he is "preserved" by the Spirit's intercession (Romans 8:26) and the mediation of Jesus Christ (I Timothy 2:5), who promised the Father He would lose none that the Father gave Him. (John 6:39)

Decisional theology Reader is really only the belief that one is born again. Spiritual rebirth is key to the OSAS crowd. I mean heck even you believe that one must confess Christ to be saved. And of course, they don't believe a believer can fall away. And that God will eventually will convict them and bring them back to repentance. Like He did with David or Peter. There really is not that much difference in the end - the conclusion is the same - no matter how much you sin the elect could never be lost...

[brother vinny]

All Reformed churches do....

For the record, I've known OVTs who are OSAS.

[Reader]

Decisional theology Reader is really only the belief that one is born again.

No, it is not. It is the belief that a sinner must decide to accept Jesus Christ into their lives as Lord. There are multitudes of people living under this delusion, that are not born again.

Spiritual rebirth is key to the OSAS crowd.

Only in so far as they think their decision is their rebirth.

I mean heck even you believe that one must confess Christ to be saved.

Confessing faith in Jesus Christ is a far cry from making a decision to accept an "offer" of salvation.

And of course, they don't believe a believer can fall away. And that God will eventually will convict them and bring them back to repentance.

Which? They don't believe in falling away, but God can bring them back? Your statement is contradictory.

Like He did with David or Peter. There really is not that much difference in the end - the conclusion is the same - no matter how much you sin the elect could never be lost...

Reformers believe that because the "seed" of Christ abides within the believer through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the Christian will not (and if fact, cannot) continually practice sin. (I John 3:9) The believer has the assurance that instead, the Spirit will lead him into holy living; a growing obedience; eventually conforming him more and more to the image of Jesus Christ. The Christian can rest in the God's promise and guaranty of everlasting life and receive continual forgiveness for times of weakness and occasional lapses into sin.

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16

This doctrine does not give the Christian license to sin, but does gives assurance that the blood of Christ and His heavenly mediation covers all sins; past, present and future. This is grace. This is living by faith.

If you believe you have been spiritually born again, but think you can lose your salvation, you will miss out on finding the "rest of God." Instead of trusting and focusing on Christ's righteousness imputed to your account, you will live focused on yourself and your carnal behavior; always fearful of commiting sins. This is not grace but is an attempt to live in holiness through works of the flesh.

[Bnonn]

Hello Kenite.

There are those who are born again, and who will endure persecution to the end; and there are others, born to be destroyed- Catholics, Orthodox, Calvinists, Pentecostalists, etc., all of them no better than pagans, and often worse. All of the teachers of these beliefs will live in eternally in unbearable public shame and contempt, unable to hide their faces.

I assume that by this you mean only those Catholics, Orthodox, Calvinists, Pentecostalists, etc, who are not born again; not that all people who hold to a particular denomination are unregenerate? Your statement rather implies that you believe that anyone who claims any of the titles listed above (and, presumably, others also) is not saved. Since that would be a rather cultic and highly unchristian point of view, I presume that isn't what you meant---but clarifying the point seems like a good idea, since other people here might construe what you wrote in rather a negative light.

Certainly, those who believe that Calvinist, Catholic, Orthodox, or whatever theology is correct can still be Christians; after all, what are these theologies if not attempts to properly explain Christianity in a comprehensive and systematic way? Provided these people place their trust in Christ, and understand that any theology is just a framework designed to describe the truth; ie, provided that they are not placing their trust in the Pope, or Calvin, or the framework itself, I can't imagine why anyone would suggest they are not saved. I myself would have called myself a Calvinist at one time, and that because I sincerely believed that Calvinism was the best explanation of Biblical truth. I no longer am convinced of this; but I hardly consider those who are to be non-Christians.

Again, just seeking to clarify.

Your brother,
Bnonn

[Kenite]

I sincerely believed that Calvinism was the best explanation of Biblical truth. I no longer am convinced of this

Why not?

[Bnonn]

I don't feel that's relevant to this thread; and I don't wish to derail it. There are various aspects of Calvinism which I am not certain on, and at least one which I reject: limited atonement.

[Kenite]

I reject: limited atonement.

What is wrong with that?

[Bnonn]

In my view, there have been enough threads already derailed by the issue of atonement. Might I suggest that, if you're interested in this topic, you start a new thread devoted to it?

[seer]

No, it is not. It is the belief that a sinner must decide to accept Jesus Christ into their lives as Lord. There are multitudes of people living under this delusion, that are not born again.

You mean the multitudes of Calvinists who think that they are actually one of the elect? Will your judgementalism never end Reader?

[Kenite]

In my view, there have been enough threads already derailed by the issue of atonement. Might I suggest that, if you're interested in this topic, you start a new thread devoted to it?

There is no need for derailment, and no intention of doing that as far as I am concerned, so there can be no excuse. If you do not answer the question, I will assume that you realise that your reply would fatally compromise your objection to my post.