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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Sure, although I think with our more interconnected world now we won't see as much of the big, grand opposition and more people making their political points and, soon enough, the people in states affected by this decision (well under half) will come to the same realization that conservatives in the states that already had gay marriage laws that it doesn't effect their daily lives, like at all, and will get over it. Plus, well, I don't see Obama going against a SCOTUS decision like Jackson did. Rare situation, that.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostStates have already been ignoring the federal government by legalizing marijuana. I have been shouted down by trying to point this out (not as much here), but what's the real difference in principle? It seems many people who support pot will be upset about this and that doesn't strike me as consistent.
The fault, however, lies with the Court itself. Both in its own decisions and in what it has allowed to stand from lower courts, the Court has been undermining itself for decades. Neither liberals nor conservatives have much use for it other than a rubber stamp or an end run around the legislative process.
In answer to your question, there is none. The danger of selective enforcement is the same as the danger for judicial over reach - eventually, the winds change and there is nothing to stop the other guys from doing the same darn thing."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostStates have already been ignoring the federal government by legalizing marijuana. I have been shouted down by trying to point this out (not as much here), but what's the real difference in principle? It seems many people who support pot will be upset about this and that doesn't strike me as consistent.
Some states have tried to ignore and oppose Federal Law and Courts concerning the integration of public schools, and of course failed.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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He said 'government', not 'courts'...."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis ah . . . not true. The Federal courts have not ruled against legalizing marijuana use in states yet.
http://www.safeaccessnow.org/federal_marijuana_law
http://www.marijuana-as-medicine.org...tate%20Law.htm
It's Federal Law - no need for a "Federal court" ruling.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
http://www.safeaccessnow.org/federal_marijuana_law
http://www.marijuana-as-medicine.org...tate%20Law.htm
It's Federal Law - no need for a "Federal court" ruling.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe question was whether the states ignored the Federal Courts. The facts are clear. At present the Federals Courts have not ruled on this.
Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostStates have already been ignoring the federal government by legalizing marijuana.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostHe said 'government', not 'courts'....Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-05-2015, 06:50 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe thread is about ignoring the 'Federal Courts.'The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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The OP specified 'federal government' - KG gets to mean whatever he wants, regardless of how you wish to interpret it. He said 'government' so the statement is true.
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe OP specified 'federal government' - KG gets to mean whatever he wants, regardless of how you wish to interpret it. He said 'government' so the statement is true.
The thread is about ignoring the 'Federal Courts.' There are many issues over time where the states laws and decisions are in not in concordance with Federal Law. The decision remains with the Federal Courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Shuny is correct
Washington, my home state, has legalized recreational marijuana. Our state law is at odds with federal statutes which, as Shuny said, happens all the time.
What Washington is not currently doing is violating a court ruling as it applies to it's marijuana laws. It's an important distinction to keep in mind.
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Jae, KG specified fed government and not just the courts - Shuny is just making a major deal out of nothing."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI was not questioning the statement. I was questioning its relevance to the topic of the thread.
The thread is about ignoring the 'Federal Courts.' There are many issues over time where the states laws and decisions are in not in concordance with Federal Law. The decision remains with the Federal Courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court.
Really, mountain meet molehill..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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