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Originally Posted by
theophilus
Of course. Don't you want to be ready for the Rapture?
I want to be ready for the return of Christ. I am highly skeptical of the dispensational pre-trib pre-mill position. Dee Dee Warren, a previous owner here, regularly cited Rapture Ready as a particularly egregious proponent of the view.
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Originally Posted by
One Bad Pig
I want to be ready for the return of Christ. I am highly skeptical of the dispensational pre-trib pre-mill position. Dee Dee Warren, a previous owner here, regularly cited Rapture Ready as a particularly egregious proponent of the view.
Now I'm confused. If you don't believe Jesus is returning to earth to rule (the premil belief), wouldn't you believe in a rapture at some point when Jesus returns to gather the church, if not on the earth then I presume in heaven? Partial preterists still believe that Jesus is returning to gather the church at some point... or am I confused about that too?
"I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (
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tWebber
Originally Posted by
seanD
Now I'm confused. If you don't believe Jesus is returning to earth to rule (the premil belief), wouldn't you believe in a rapture at some point when Jesus returns to gather the church, if not on the earth then I presume in heaven? Partial preterists still believe that Jesus is returning to gather the church at some point... or am I confused about that too?
That much is true - we wait for the coming of the Lord and the new heavens and earth. What we are skeptical of is the dispensational pre-trib pre-mil scenario with the 7 year trib and the 1000 year millennium with two returns and three resurrections.
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Originally Posted by
alaskazimm
That much is true - we wait for the coming of the Lord and the new heavens and earth. What we are skeptical of is the dispensational pre-trib pre-mil scenario with the 7 year trib and the 1000 year millennium with two returns and three resurrections.
Okay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture. So I"m right that preterists actually do believe in a rapture at some point just not as specifically as pre-tribbers believe. That's actually kind of goofy to be so religiously opposed to it because it's essentially the same belief just a matter of a slightly small detail.
"I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (
source).
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Originally Posted by
seanD
Okay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture. So I"m right that preterists actually do believe in a rapture at some point just not as specifically as pre-tribbers believe. That's actually kind of goofy to be so religiously opposed to it because it's essentially the same belief just a matter of a slightly small detail.
When he is citing "Rapture Ready" it is clear what he means by it.
Preterists believe that we will meet the Lord in the sky and escort him the rest of the way down to the earth, which is nearly the opposite of what pre-tribbers believe. Is that a "slightly small detail" IYO?
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tWebber
Originally Posted by
seanD
Okay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture. So I"m right that preterists actually do believe in a rapture at some point just not as specifically as pre-tribbers believe. That's actually kind of goofy to be so religiously opposed to it because it's essentially the same belief just a matter of a slightly small detail.
When Margaret MacDonald and Edward Irving invented the doctrine in 1830, that was the term they coined for it.
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Originally Posted by
One Bad Pig
When he is citing "Rapture Ready" it is clear what he means by it.
Preterists believe that we will meet the Lord in the sky and escort him the rest of the way down to the earth, which is nearly the opposite of what pre-tribbers believe. Is that a "slightly small detail" IYO?
Wow, then I'm really confused, because that implies a pre-mil belief.
"I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (
source).
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Originally Posted by
seanD
Wow, then I'm really confused, because that implies a pre-mil belief.
How so? The return of Christ (1 Cor 15:52) is best correlated with Rev. 20:13-21:3, which is after the millenial reign.
Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally Posted by
seanD
Okay, but what confused me is that theophilus didn't specifically mention pre-trib rapture. He just said rapture.
I believe in a pre-trib rapture and that is also the position of the Rapture Ready site.
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