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    Pope Francis the Rev False Prophet?

    I'm not one for jumping the gun with trying to identify bible personalities with folks in real-time and I used to hear this many years ago and pretty much shrugged it off as nonsense. But from his acceptance of gay marriage, climate change and aliens, to his call for a "new ecological and economic order," if there was ever a candidate for the false prophet that paves the way for the Beast of Rev, this guy takes the cake.

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    Haha, I have been watching youtube videos claiming that in September he's going to reveal the presence of extra-terrestrials and claim they're the new saviors of humanity. Seems like every pope is the anti-christ, has there ever been a time when these guys were like "nah, this Pope's fine."
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I'm not one for jumping the gun with trying to identify bible personalities with folks in real-time and I used to hear this many years ago and pretty much shrugged it off as nonsense. But from his acceptance of gay marriage, climate change and aliens, to his call for a "new ecological and economic order," if there was ever a candidate for the false prophet that paves the way for the Beast of Rev, this guy takes the cake.
    Nah, this Pope's fine.

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    Nah, this fine's pope.

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    lol Chrawnus..a little too eager (or a little too dyslexic?)..and a little too slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I'm not one for jumping the gun with trying to identify bible personalities with folks in real-time and I used to hear this many years ago and pretty much shrugged it off as nonsense. But from his acceptance of gay marriage, climate change and aliens, to his call for a "new ecological and economic order," if there was ever a candidate for the false prophet that paves the way for the Beast of Rev, this guy takes the cake.
    Examination of what Pope Francis actually said will exonerate him.

    Pope Francis has never accepted gay marriage. As archbishop of Buenos Aires, he referred to same-sex marriage as an "anthropological regression," and the oft-quoted phrase, "who am I to judge," refers not to same sex marriage but to the possibility of gay seminarians or postulants to religious orders.

    Aliens: in response to a pure hypothetical about, if aliens existed, whether we should evangelize them, Pope Francis made the obvious answer, and the same answer that, to the best of my knowledge, most every credible theologian who has dedicated time and energy to the topic has reached.

    Climate change/ call for a new ecological and economic order: in calling for radical economic reform, Pope Francis is echoing every single pope for the last 120+ years: Popes have been publicly calling for more humane economic practices and structures since Pope Leo XIII issued Rerum Novarum in 1891. Papal critiques of capitalism, socialism, and the materialism that capitalism and communism hold in common have been quite consistent, and materialistic consumerism that cares little for ecological sustainability still drives our economy today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Examination of what Pope Francis actually said will exonerate him.

    Pope Francis has never accepted gay marriage. As archbishop of Buenos Aires, he referred to same-sex marriage as an "anthropological regression," and the oft-quoted phrase, "who am I to judge," refers not to same sex marriage but to the possibility of gay seminarians or postulants to religious orders.

    Aliens: in response to a pure hypothetical about, if aliens existed, whether we should evangelize them, Pope Francis made the obvious answer, and the same answer that, to the best of my knowledge, most every credible theologian who has dedicated time and energy to the topic has reached.

    Climate change/ call for a new ecological and economic order: in calling for radical economic reform, Pope Francis is echoing every single pope for the last 120+ years: Popes have been publicly calling for more humane economic practices and structures since Pope Leo XIII issued Rerum Novarum in 1891. Papal critiques of capitalism, socialism, and the materialism that capitalism and communism hold in common have been quite consistent, and materialistic consumerism that cares little for ecological sustainability still drives our economy today.
    I don't recall any other popes "echoing" the subjects this pope is focusing on and especially in the same manner. Can you give me some examples? Can you also give me examples of famous theologians espousing similar views about aliens? Thanks.

    Though you downplay it as nothing out of the ordinary, it seems both the liberals/progressives and conservatives don't think the same. I've never seen so much criticism leveled at him (on a political level at least) from conservatives. I DEFINITELY have never seen liberals swoon over a pope like this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    Haha, I have been watching youtube videos claiming that in September he's going to reveal the presence of extra-terrestrials and claim they're the new saviors of humanity. Seems like every pope is the anti-christ, has there ever been a time when these guys were like "nah, this Pope's fine."
    I know, right? I remember reading books by dispensationalists decades ago claiming pope would be the antichrist (or Beast of Rev to be specific). I always shirked it off as unlikely. I thought the False Prophet was possible, but never gave it much thought. Seems a bit tantalizing to me lately, especially with this pope and how he is wooing the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I don't recall any other popes "echoing" the subjects this pope is focusing on and especially in the same manner. Can you give me some examples?
    Can you give me specific examples of the statements by Pope Francis that you find so troubling? You've vaguely alluded to sound bytes, but not actually referenced any concrete instances. If you want to accuse someone of heresy, it'd be a good preliminary step to produce 1. the statement which you claim is heretical and 2. the principle of orthodoxy which it contradicts

    Can you also give me examples of famous theologians espousing similar views about aliens? Thanks.
    It's not a question many theologians have pondered, but when it comes down to it, I really don't know what alternative position one might advocate. If God has created other beings with free will and intellect and the desire for union with Him and membership in His Church, why wouldn't we baptize them if they asked? Find me another credible theological position that responds to the aliens hypothetical and we can talk

    Though you downplay it as nothing out of the ordinary, it seems both the liberals/progressives and conservatives don't think the same. I've never seen so much criticism leveled at him (on a political level at least) from conservatives. I DEFINITELY have never seen liberals swoon over a pope like this before.
    If you were around some 50 years ago while John XXIII was around or while Vatican II was going on, you'd know that this isn't the first time that the left has been fainting over a pope who they think is finally going to bring the church up to date. The thing is, they didn't understand John XXIII then and don't understand Francis now: they've projected onto him what they want to see without actually paying attention to what he actually believes or says, and the Right is buying into those distortions. If the Left likes him, the Right is duty-bound to deride him, but neither side is actually listening to the man.

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