Whose tomb was Jesus buried in?

[stevencarrwork]

Matthew 27:59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock.

Does the author of Matthew intend to state that Jesus was buried in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb?

[xtreem5150ahm]

i took a quick look at all four gospel accounts.. i didnt look at 'em real close, but it would seem that, yes, it was Joseph's property (from Mathew and Mark), but i dont think it indicates whether Joseph had intended it for his own personal tomb and donated to the cause, or if he had purchased a fresh, unused tomb for Jesus body in haste of preparation day and proximity (Luke and John).

Like i said, i didnt take much time to look closely, but something makes me want to take more time to look closer...

In Matt 27:60 it says, " which he had hewn out in the rock". Does this mean that he, joseph, carved out the rock himself? Or does it mean that he paid some labourers to do it?
I think, either way, it would probably mean that he had owned it already and just donated.


Nice question. May i ask why you ask, and what you think?

johnny

[Nick Hallandale]

The Christians often use Isaiah 53 as a supposed source of prophecy about Jesus.
Look at Isaiah 53:9 from the KJV and from the NAS. Supposedly this verse is about the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.

""And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;""

""His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,""

Do you notice something odd about this verse?
The verse is saying that Jesus' grave was with the wicked....
and his death was with the rich.
Everyone Knows the story....Jesus' death was with the wicked (the two thieves).........but he was buried with the rich (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea)

The gospel writers seem to have gotten things backwards from the supposed prophecy of Isaiah 53:9.

How can someone believe the resurrection story when key facts are confused?

Nick Hallandale

[spl_cadet]

The verse is saying that Jesus' grave was with the wicked....
and his death was with the rich.
Everyone Knows the story....Jesus' death was with the wicked (the two thieves).........but he was buried with the rich (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea)

The gospel writers seem to have gotten things backwards from the supposed prophecy of Isaiah 53:9.

How can someone believe the resurrection story when key facts are confused?

You're the only one confused. The grave he was assigned was with the wicked (presumably with the other two he was crucified with), but the tomb he was actually in was a rich man's tomb.

[Abraham Simpson]

Hello Nick:
Isaiah was refering metaphoricly to the covenant nation of Israel, not to Jesus, but the big problem with Joseph of Arimathea's tomb, is that the crucifixion took place in the garden where Joseph's tomb was. Jesus was crucified in Joseph of Arimethea's garden, and since it was probably not the practice of the Romans to crucify people in private gardens, Jesus death may have actually been an elaborate baptism cermemony, in which Jesus did not actually die. Remember the only sign given, which is the sign of Jonah, who appeared to die, but remained alive in the belly of the big fish for three days before rising from apparent death.
Consider also the possibility that Jesus was buried in the very same tomb that Lazarus had recently been called forth from. Some scholars have suggested that Mary, Martha, and Lazarus, were some relation to Joseph of Arimethea.

The Christians often use Isaiah 53 as a supposed source of prophecy about Jesus.
Look at Isaiah 53:9 from the KJV and from the NAS. Supposedly this verse is about the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.

""And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;""

""His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,""

Do you notice something odd about this verse?
The verse is saying that Jesus' grave was with the wicked....
and his death was with the rich.
Everyone Knows the story....Jesus' death was with the wicked (the two thieves).........but he was buried with the rich (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea)

The gospel writers seem to have gotten things backwards from the supposed prophecy of Isaiah 53:9.

How can someone believe the resurrection story when key facts are confused?

Nick Hallandale

[Adam]

The Christians often use Isaiah 53 as a supposed source of prophecy about Jesus.
Look at Isaiah 53:9 from the KJV and from the NAS. Supposedly this verse is about the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.
""And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;""
""His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,""
Do you notice something odd about this verse?
The verse is saying that Jesus' grave was with the wicked....
and his death was with the rich.
Everyone Knows the story....Jesus' death was with the wicked (the two thieves).........but he was buried with the rich (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea)
The gospel writers seem to have gotten things backwards from the supposed prophecy of Isaiah 53:9.

How can someone believe the resurrection story when key facts are confused?
Nick Hallandale

It's a fair challenge, Nick,
But one for which there is no conclusive resolution. As the New Jerusalem Bible correctly notes, "The text is difficult, and many emend 'rich' 'ashir' to 'evil-doers' 'ose ra' ," Accordingly we get many conflicting translations. The NJB itself:

He was given a grave with the wicked,
and his tomb is with the rich,

Contrast another recent Roman Catholic translation, the even more liberal NAB:

A grave was assigned him among the wicked
and a burial place with evildoers

which is substantially the same as the Anglican NEB.
For a particularly different slant, consider the conservative 1949 Knox Translation:

Takes he leave of the rich, the godless, to win but a grave, to win but the gift of death

As you can see the three Roman Catholic translations, though differing substantially, all disagree with the particular Protestant line you quote.
Adam

[Nick Hallandale]

It's a fair challenge, Nick,
But one for which there is no conclusive resolution. As the New Jerusalem Bible correctly notes, "The text is difficult, and many emend 'rich' 'ashir' to 'evil-doers' 'ose ra' ," Accordingly we get many conflicting translations. The NJB itself:

Contrast another recent Roman Catholic translation, the even more liberal NAB:

which is substantially the same as the Anglican NEB.
For a particularly different slant, consider the conservative 1949 Knox Translation:

As you can see the three Roman Catholic translations, though differing substantially, all disagree with the particular Protestant line you quote.
Adam

Is it possible that the translators of the versions that you quoted noticed the contradiction and adjusted their translations to eliminate the contradiction?

The Christians often use Isaiah 53 as a supposed source of prophecy about Jesus.
Look at Isaiah 53:9 from the KJV and from the NAS. Supposedly this verse is about the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.

""And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;""

""His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,""

Do you notice something odd about this verse?
The verse is saying that Jesus' grave was with the wicked....
and his death was with the rich.
Everyone Knows the story....Jesus' death was with the wicked (the two thieves).........but he was buried with the rich (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea)

The gospel writers seem to have gotten things backwards from the supposed prophecy of Isaiah 53:9.

How can someone believe the resurrection story when key facts are confused?

Nick Hallandale

[themuzicman]

Matthew 27:59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock.

Does the author of Matthew intend to state that Jesus was buried in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb?

Grant's tomb...

[Sparko]

Is it possible that the translators of the versions that you quoted noticed the contradiction and adjusted their translations to eliminate the contradiction?

The Christians often use Isaiah 53 as a supposed source of prophecy about Jesus.
Look at Isaiah 53:9 from the KJV and from the NAS. Supposedly this verse is about the crucifixion and burial of Jesus.

""And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;""

""His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,""

Do you notice something odd about this verse?
The verse is saying that Jesus' grave was with the wicked....
and his death was with the rich.
Everyone Knows the story....Jesus' death was with the wicked (the two thieves).........but he was buried with the rich (the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea)

The gospel writers seem to have gotten things backwards from the supposed prophecy of Isaiah 53:9.

How can someone believe the resurrection story when key facts are confused?

Nick Hallandale

So Nick... I am confused.

You talk about "the Christians" as a third party reference, and you don't seem to believe in the resurrection, does that mean you are not a Christian yourself? If not, why are you wearing a cross next to your name?

[Ryokan]

You're the only one confused. The grave he was assigned was with the wicked (presumably with the other two he was crucified with), but the tomb he was actually in was a rich man's tomb.

Actually, he's lucky he got buried at all. Normally, he would have been left to the dogs.

[Nick Hallandale]

Actually, he's lucky he got buried at all. Normally, he would have been left to the dogs.

Who buried Jesus after his crucifiction?
According to Matthew, Joseph of Arimathea buried Jesus.
Matthew 27:57-60
57When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus.
58This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.

59And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

60and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.


But the Apostle Paul flatly contradicts Matthew and says the Jews and their rulers buried Jesus.
Acts 13:27-29
27"For those who live in Jerusalem, and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor the utterances of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning Him.

28"And though they found no ground for putting Him to death, they asked Pilate that He be executed.

29"When they had carried out all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the cross and laid Him in a tomb.

If they can't figure out who buried Jesus, how can they say he was resurrected?
Doesn't this contradiction cast doubt on the "Jesus rose from the dead story"?

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[David Smith]

Nick,

Joeseph was a member of the Sanhedrin council so when we read 'the rulers' buried Jesus we know the reference is speaking of Joseph.

[Adrift]

Nick,

Joeseph was a member of the Sanhedrin council so when we read 'the rulers' buried Jesus we know the reference is speaking of Joseph.

Old thread is old.

[Jedidiah]

Isaiah was refering metaphoricly to the covenant nation of Israel, not to Jesus, but the big problem with Joseph of Arimathea's tomb, is that the crucifixion took place in the garden where Joseph's tomb was.

As an interloper I would like to ask a question. Where in scripture does it say that the crucifixion took place in Josephs garden?

[Sparko]

As an interloper I would like to ask a question. Where in scripture does it say that the crucifixion took place in Josephs garden?

This thread has been resurrected. You are replying to a post from 2006.