Spreading the message of Judaism throughout the world

[sonofyah]

[QUOTE=Crusader]

Which means you are some kind of sacred name cultist and not a Christian. It is laughable to quibble over the pronunciation of a name (Jesus is the same Person whether you say His Name in Danish, Hebrew or Russian), and then reject all the cardinal doctrine regarding Jesus as found in the Scripture and as taught by the early church. You are an author of confusion.

I understand your fustration son. Its a little juvenile to make funny remarks, but I will except that being that you cannot prove me wrong with scripture. Your novice questions and answers further explains that your walk in Christianity is dictated to you from the pulpit and sunday school and not at all in study. The reason why Judaism followers laugh at christians like you is because of uneducated statements you use that cannot be traced back to the Hebrew.

laughable to quibble over the pronunciation of a name

Yahoshua vs Jesus

This is NOT another prononciation it is a SUBSTITUTION

If your statement were true spanish speaking people would not prononce Jesus, He-zus

If you look and the early pictures of the Greek god Zeus and your picture of Jesus, you will see a striking resembulance in NAME and FACE. (Think about it)

You belong in Christianity 101

[Menachem]

How can Gentiles ever understand/follow just a part of Torah without notion of the whole?

is it not one of the Noachide comnandments that prohibits such?

Genesis 9:4, "But, flesh with its soul, its blood, you shall not eat."
Rashi: flesh with its soul
He prohibited them [to eat] a limb [cut off from] a living creature; i.e., as long as its soul is in it, you shall not eat the flesh. — [from Sanh. ad loc.] [i.e., if the limb is cut from the animal while it is alive, it is forbidden to be eaten even after the animal expires.]

What precisely does this have to do with what Gavriel about the verse in Mark? The last time I checked neither he Nor I said anything about the prohibition on eating blood.

I never said you could not read the entire thing you are putting words into my mouth. I said only certain parts are for Gentiles to observe. If a gentile wants to read the rest of the Torah and learn from it there is no problem. Remember GNT does not equal Torah.

Genesis 1:27 irrelevant?

No, just Matthew 19:4

[sylvius]

What precisely does this have to do with what Gavriel about the verse in Mark? The last time I checked neither he Nor I said anything about the prohibition on eating blood.

it is about the prohibition to take a part out of a living whole.

I never said you could not read the entire thing you are putting words into my mouth. I said only certain parts are for Gentiles to observe. If a gentile wants to read the rest of the Torah and learn from it there is no problem. Remember GNT does not equal Torah.

how can Gentiles observe if they don't know about Torah?
The Noachidic commandments are just to be found in Torah, Genesis 9.

No, just Matthew 19:4

Matthew 19: 4 is just a question; can't Jews even be questioned?

"Male and female he created them"
-- say wow!

There's a song about it "no woman no cry".

[Menachem]

it is about the prohibition to take a part out of a living whole.

And what does that have to od with what Gavriel said about quotations from mark? Absolutely nothing.

how can Gentiles observe if they don't know about Torah?
The Noachidic commandments are just to be found in Torah, Genesis 9.

Again you are not reading my posts. only posting random comments.

here is what I said:
"I never said you could not read the entire thing you are putting words into my mouth. I said only certain parts are for Gentiles to observe. If a gentile wants to read the rest of the Torah and learn from it there is no problem. Remember GNT does not equal Torah.

Matthew 19: 4 is just a question; can't Jews even be questioned?

"Male and female he created them"
-- say wow!

There's a song about it "no woman no cry".

Again this is irrelevent as it is not Jewish tradition but Christian tradition can you not fathom the concept of "this means nothing to Jews!" I guess not.

[Gavriel]

And what does that have to od with what Gavriel said about quotations from mark? Absolutely nothing.

Again you are not reading my posts. only posting random comments.

These are the two main reasons my posting has gone down significantly.

1. Red herrings galore.

2. Not reading and responding to what I write.

[Menachem]

These are the two main reasons my posting has gone down significantly.

1. Red herrings galore.

2. Not reading and responding to what I write.

I agree!

These are some of the reasons my posting never really took off in the first place.

[sylvius]

And what does that have to od with what Gavriel said about quotations from mark? Absolutely nothing.

cutting off Mark is like cutting off a limb from a living creature.
It is in fact the same thing as cutting off Genesis 9 from Torah.

Again you are not reading my posts. only posting random comments.

you are reading not mine.

here is what I said:
"I never said you could not read the entire thing you are putting words into my mouth. I said only certain parts are for Gentiles to observe. If a gentile wants to read the rest of the Torah and learn from it there is no problem. Remember GNT does not equal Torah.

question was:
how can Gentiles observe Noachidic commandments if they even never heard of Torah? Or is it kind of instinct that makes Gentiles follow these laws?

Again this is irrelevent as it is not Jewish tradition but Christian tradition can you not fathom the concept of "this means nothing to Jews!" I guess not.

and what about this:

Rashi on Genesis 2: Verse 23: This at last.


This teaches that Adam attempted to find [a mate] amongst all the animals and beasts and he was not satisfied with them until he discovered Chavah.

Relevant or not?

[Menachem]

cutting off Mark is like cutting off a limb from a living creature.
It is in fact the same thing as cutting off Genesis 9 from Torah.

Again relevence??? Mark is christian tradition not jewish tradition hence no relevence to Jews. does this concept not register or is it that you are unable to address even this simple issue.

Your analogy is a very poor one.

you are reading not mine.

Sense you should start making. I have read every one of your posts and all I find are random comments with no relevence to the topic.

question was:
how can Gentiles observe Noachidic commandments if they even never heard of Torah? Or is it kind of instinct that makes Gentiles follow these laws?

What does observing the Noachide laws have to do with what Gavriel said about Mark? Absolutely nothing.

and what about this:

Rashi on Genesis 2: Verse 23: This at last.


This teaches that Adam attempted to find [a mate] amongst all the animals and beasts and he was not satisfied with them until he discovered Chavah.

Relevant or not?

[/quote]

Relevence to what Gavriel said about mark. Absolutely nothing! Care to address my concerns laid in my first post rather than posting random Rashi comments in english to verses not relevent to the discussion.

[sylvius]

Again relevence??? Mark is christian tradition not jewish tradition hence no relevence to Jews. does this concept not register or is it that you are unable to address even this simple issue.

Mark is (rooted in) Jewish tradition.

Sense you should start making. I have read every one of your posts and all I find are random comments with no relevence to the topic.

that's your opinion.

What does observing the Noachide laws have to do with what Gavriel said about Mark? Absolutely nothing.

you misinterpret what i said.

Relevence to what Gavriel said about mark. Absolutely nothing!

It was about Matthew 19.

Care to address my concerns laid in my first post rather than posting random Rashi comments in english to verses not relevent to the discussion.

Rashi comments on the same issue as Matthew does;
more: they agree; they're saying the same.

Why should Rashi be relevant to Jews and Matthew not?

Also Matthew is Jewish, Matityahu, first called Levi.

[Gavriel]

sylvius,

You're missing the boat here. Look at the title of this thread:

Spreading the message of Judaism throughout the world.

Look at the board you are in:

Judaism

Look at the Jewish Bible (Tanach) there is a certain book lacking...MATTHEW!

Can we make this any clearer?

If you wish to "prove" something to a Jew it's best to use Jewish Scripture, especially in a Jewish board in a Jewish thread.

[sylvius]

sylvius,

You're missing the boat here. Look at the title of this thread:

Spreading the message of Judaism throughout the world.

Look at the board you are in:

Judaism

Look at the Jewish Bible (Tanach) there is a certain book lacking...MATTHEW!

Can we make this any clearer?

If you wish to "prove" something to a Jew it's best to use Jewish Scripture, especially in a Jewish board in a Jewish thread.

it was the course of the discussion that brought us here.

from here it started (#80):

You forgot the line right before this one:

And the foreigners who join with the Lord to serve Him and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants, everyone who observes the Sabbath from profaning it and who holds fast to My covenant. Isaiah 56:6

The "all peoples" are people who observe the Sabbath and holds fast to God's covenant (the Jews and converts). This point is illustrated again two lines before this one.

For so says the Lord to the eunuchs who will keep My Sabbaths and will choose what I desire and hold fast to My covenant Isaiah 56:4

It's prudent to read the vereses before and after any passages you wish to cite for this little thing called context.

Again it is about "Him", not about "the Jews"

Isaiah 56:7 is quoted in NT, Mark 11: 17,
"And He taught and said to them, "Is it not written: 'My house shall be called a house of prayerfor all peoples'? But you have made it a den of thieves."

about theft, robbbery:
Malachi 3: 8-9

"Will a man rob God? Yet you rob Me, and you say, "With what have we robbed You?"-With tithes and with the terumah-levy.
You are cursed with a curse, but you rob Me, the whole nation!"

in what way?

In claiming God is an exclusive Jewish God; that God is Jewish property?

on which you replied (#81 ):

Quotes from Mark are meaningless to Jews.

[Menachem]

Mark is (rooted in) Jewish tradition.

it is part of the christian bible not the Hebrew bible hence it is not Jewish tradition. You are trying to misplace Mark to advance your own twisted notion.

that's your opinion.

No, ask anyone that is actuality.

you misinterpret what i said.

Perhaps you should enlighten us then. What exactly does anything that Rashi said have to do with the Gospel of mark being meaningless to Jews? Absolutely nothing!

It was about Matthew 19.

The gospel of matthew is meanlingless to Jews....moving on.

Rashi comments on the same issue as Matthew does;
more: they agree; they're saying the same.

irrelevent!

Why should Rashi be relevant to Jews and Matthew not?

matthew is a christian and Rashi was a Jew. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. whether matthew was Jewish by birth is Irrelevent. His beliefs divide the two. Nuff said.

Also Matthew is Jewish, Matityahu, first called Levi.

irrelevent!

[sylvius]

it is part of the christian bible not the Hebrew bible hence it is not Jewish tradition. You are trying to misplace Mark to advance your own twisted notion.

Jewish tradtition is not just Hebrew bible.

matthew is a christian and Rashi was a Jew. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. whether matthew was Jewish by birth is Irrelevent. His beliefs divide the two. Nuff said.

that's very interesting remark.
Matthew is a christian, Rashi was a Jew.

cf Matthew 9: 9,

"As Jesus passed on from there, he saw a man named Rashi sitting at the tax office. He said to him, "Follow me." And he got up and followed him. "

I think there is in NT a play on the word "telos", it can mean "tax", but also "end". NT is all about the end of days, the final redemption.

Matthew ending with (28: 66): "And see I am with you all the days until the end of time."

[Menachem]

Jewish tradtition is not just Hebrew bible.

You're right there is the talmud, midrash haggada, and others. Notice the Christain bible or NT is not one of them.

that's very interesting remark.
Matthew is a christian, Rashi was a Jew.

Dont argue semantics you know what I meant.

cf Matthew 9: 9,




I think there is in NT a play on the word "telos", it can mean "tax", but also "end". NT is all about the end of days, the final redemption.

Matthew ending with (28: 66): "And see I am with you all the days until the end of time."

All of this and much more is irrelevent to Jews....How hard is it to figure out that this is Irrelevent when we could not make it any clearer? All you are doing is rambling on and on about something that is in the christian tradition and has nothing of value for us Jews. I foyu want to argue its value go to a christian section and rant about it there.

[sylvius]

All of this and much more is irrelevent to Jews....How hard is it to figure out that this is Irrelevent when we could not make it any clearer? All you are doing is rambling on and on about something that is in the christian tradition and has nothing of value for us Jews. I foyu want to argue its value go to a christian section and rant about it there.

Do you think any christian who would have a message to my "telos" i.c.w. Levi/Matthew?

"telos" also being in the first word of Geneis 2 "vaychulu" - "vayechol" (Greek v.2: "kai sunetelesen ho theos" ).

Rashi:
R. Shimon said, [man who is] flesh and blood who cannot [precisely] know his times and moments must add from the profane to the holy. G-d, who [precisely] knows His times and moments can enter into it by a hairbreadth, and it appears as if He concluded [His work] on that very day [i.e., the Sabbath].

Maybe a Jew understands.