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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostWhen a person kicks the bucket, there is often no bucket and no kicking involved.
A person who indulgesinsin has rejected Christ as his Lord - whether temporarily or permanently is a matter of whether he repents.
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Given that "god" is not a name, but a title - given that the Old Testament laws have been fulfilled, and observance of them is therefore no longer a requirement - perhaps you can explain where sin would be involved in saying "God damn".1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
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Originally posted by psstein View Post"Bronze Age Goat Herders," "Bloodthirsty Tyrant," poor understanding of what Christian denominations actually believe. Yeah, we've ourselves a real live fundy atheist here.
What of Christians who reject Reformed Epistemology, like most Catholics and Orthodox Christians?
It's really simple. Gary doesn't know what he's talking about. He somehow thinks that rhetorical appeals to Hell and "evil YHWH" are actual arguments against Christianity. Somebody call me when someone with a brain is arguing against Christianity.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostGiven that "god" is not a name, but a title - given that the Old Testament laws have been fulfilled, and observance of them is therefore no longer a requirement - perhaps you can explain where sin would be involved in saying "God damn".
Potty mouth, photo.jpgLast edited by Gary; 09-03-2015, 12:56 AM.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostSo in your church if someone stubs his toe it is perfectly acceptable for him to holler out, "God damn!" and no one will bat an eye?? You got one wacky church there, Tabster. I'm an agnostic and I don't let my children say that phrase and here you are cursing like a drunken sailor in church! My Baptist grandma would roll over in her grave to see what has happened in the Church today: drinking alcohol, playing cards, and full of filthy potty-mouths like yourself, Tabby. Shame on you, you potty-mouthed Christian.
If you are asking whether a person who commits even a trivial sin and refuses to repent will be excluded from heaven - the answer is yes.
If you are asking whether a person who unknowingly commits even a heinous sin will be excluded from heaven - the answer is no.
If you are asking whether a person who commits any sin of any magnitude whatever and dies before being given opportunity to repent ... I'd take that as an indication that the person has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
And the 33,000 canard? Wow. Gary will believe anything if it argues against Christianity. He's just as gullible as a non-Christian as he was a Christian.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostDo try to stay on topic - at least with regard to your own comments and questions, if with no other.
If you are asking whether a person who commits even a trivial sin and refuses to repent will be excluded from heaven - the answer is yes.
If you are asking whether a person who unknowingly commits even a heinous sin will be excluded from heaven - the answer is no.
If you are asking whether a person who commits any sin of any magnitude whatever and dies before being given opportunity to repent ... I'd take that as an indication that the person has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostSo what you are saying is that someone must be continually repenting because if one day you are in a really bad mood, you sin all day, and don't repent, and that night you die, you are going to spend eternity in hell.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Gary View PostSo what you are saying is that someone must be continually repenting because if one day you are in a really bad mood, you sin all day, and don't repent, and that night you die, you are going to spend eternity in hell.
I believe God's grace is bigger than to let a single slip-up send one to hell, but I do agree with the sentiment that a Christian should be continually repenting, IOW turning away from sin at every opportunity. In the instances that we fail to repent for whatever reason (except when it is due to blatant defiance or something equally serious) I believe God's grace is sufficient to cover these mistakes.
Of course, I do not believe that it is the repentance itself that makes everything right with God in and of itself, but rather the fact that a person (genuinely) repents is a sign that they still have, or has regained, a living faith.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI'm not tabibito, but I'm going to take a stab at this anyway.
I believe God's grace is bigger than to let a single slip-up send one to hell, but I do agree with the sentiment that a Christian should be continually repenting, IOW turning away from sin at every opportunity. In the instances that we fail to repent for whatever reason (except when it is due to blatant defiance or something equally serious) I believe God's grace is sufficient to cover these mistakes.
Of course, I do not believe that it is the repentance itself that makes everything right with God in and of itself, but rather the fact that a person (genuinely) repents is a sign that they still have, or has regained, a living faith.
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Originally posted by Gary View PostDo you believe that good works are necessary for salvation or simply faith in Jesus and repentance?
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Sorry AP - but on this I am satisfied that we are saved by grace, which works through faith to the benefit of those who love God. No love of God = no salvation (a plethora of good works notwithstanding). Disobedience = no love of God. Sin = Disobedience.
Ezekiel 33:12, 17-1912 17 18 19
No comfort can be taken in the fact that the cited text is drawn from the Old Testament; the New says the same.
A slightly more detailed, but by no means complete, exposition can be found here
信心と行動についてLast edited by tabibito; 09-03-2015, 10:23 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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