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"When the Western world accepted Christianity, Caesar conquered; and the received text of Western theology was edited by his lawyers…. The brief Galilean vision of humility flickered throughout the ages, uncertainly…. But the deeper idolatry, of the fashioning of God in the image of the Egyptian, Persian, and Roman imperial rulers, was retained. The Church gave unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar."
— Alfred North Whitehead
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Originally posted by Duragizer View PostI have pictorial evidence to the contrary:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]8255[/ATTACH]“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostTalking "legged snake-men", no less, as "True Biblical Christian seer makes clear with his Genesis quote. And the fruit is traditionally thought to have been an apple not a giant blackberry. This is the 'Word of God' so it's important to get it right.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually some believe it was a fig or a date. I would be more tempted with rich ripe figs or dates than apples.
Rabbi Meir "the miracle maker" or "Master of the Miracle," who is considered to be the greatest of the Tannaim (Rabbinic sages whose views are recorded in the Mishnah and the third most frequently mentioned sage in that work), was a proponent of this view. Likewise the midrash of Bereishis Rabah states that the fruit was grape. Both seem to suggest that it was squeezed grapes or wine.
The primary objection to it is that grapes grow on vines rather than trees but advocates of the idea point to Judges 9 that lists among the types of tree a vine tree as well as Ezekiel 15 (in the KJV translation at least).
Here is an article in support of the grape hypothesis: http://www.godandculture.com/blog/tr...orbidden-fruit
One fruit that has become a popular contender in recent years has been the pomegranate although many others have been put forward including olives, figs, citrons, carobs and pears. Even some very decidedly non-fruits like mushrooms and wheat.
One reason that some believe the apple became a popular choice is based upon either a misunderstanding of or deliberate the pun on the Latin malum, which means both "apple" (mālum) and "evil" (mălum).
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Story continues at link above.
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A more recent discovery in the La Buitrera Paleontological Area in northern Patagonia, Argentina has provided researchers with remarkably well-preserved skulls that has added yet another new piece to the puzzle of snake evolution.
One prominent theory has been that snakes evolved from a blind, burrowing lizard ancestor with the tiny, worm-like, small-mouthed burrowing Scolecophidia (a.k.a., blind or ribbon snakes) thought to be the most primitive of the extant snakes.
But high-resolution (CT) scanning and light microscopy of the new discoveries reveal that the skulls of Najash were nothing like those of scolecophidian snakes. Instead, Najash possessed large mouths along with some of the mobile skull joints that are typical of most modern snakes. And yet they also still retained some bony skull features of more typical lizards.
For example, unlike their modern descendants Najash still a well-developed jugal bone (cheekbone) something found in most reptiles, amphibians as well as birds. Also, its middle ear is intermediate between that of lizards and extant snakes.
The team, which was headed by Fernando F. Garberoglio at Universidad Maimónides in Buenos Aires, Argentina, also concluded these fossils show that early snakes retained their small but perfectly formed hindlimbs for tens of millions of years, diversifying into a wide range of terrestrial, burrowing and aquatic niches before the origin of modern snakes which are for the most part, completely limbless.
The entire paper, New skulls and skeletons of the Cretaceous legged snake Najash, and the evolution of the modern snake body plan, is available online (just click the hyperlink). Here is the abstract:
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Snakes represent one of the most dramatic examples of the evolutionary versatility of the vertebrate body plan, including body elongation, limb loss, and skull kinesis. However, understanding the earliest steps toward the acquisition of these remarkable adaptations is hampered by the very limited fossil record of early snakes. Here, we shed light on the acquisition of the snake body plan using micro–computed tomography scans of the first three-dimensionally preserved skulls of the legged snake Najash and a new phylogenetic hypothesis. These findings elucidate the initial sequence of bone loss that gave origin to the modern snake skull. Morphological and molecular analyses including the new cranial data provide robust support for an extensive basal radiation of early snakes with hindlimbs and pelves, demonstrating that this intermediate morphology was not merely a transient phase between limbed and limbless body plans.
And course a couple cool pix
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