June 14th 2006, 12:28 AM #61
Re: Thoughts ans Opinions on Elaine PagelsOriginally posted by Charleen
First, Charleen is more than just correct that Elaine Pagels pushes the date of the Gospel of John to the far fringes. Ever since 1964 I have been convinced that it was written before 70 A. D., some portions as early as 44 A. D. Bishop John A. T. Robinson proved the point quite well a decade later in two books. That the pre-70 date is still not accepted consensus is due to the unholy alliance between the atheists insisting on as late a date as possible and Traditionalists unwilling to part with their tradition that John was the sole author in the 90's.
Sorry, Charleen, there is evidence of conflicting attributions of authorship. The Muratorian Canon, about 170 A. D., credits Andrew with getting the apostles (plural) around to writing John. My own researches establish that Andrew himself was one of the authors, though John joined in at a later stage.
That Matthew has always been assigned a gospel does not mean that we must identify it as the Gospel of Matthew. That gospel is so obviously a secondary work that someone so intimately involved as Matthew would show clearly as such. Instead Matthew wrote Q, the source gospel underlying Matthew and Luke (and by my analysis, the Twelve-Source in Mark as well). As for Mark, the tradition itself associates it not just with Mark, but with Peter as his authority. But that the edition of Mark we have today is entirely from Mark's hand is unlikely, particularly the section not found in Luke.
That leaves only Luke as the canonical gospel about which no reasonable doubt exists as to authorship, and we all agree he was not an eye-witness. But my research shows that all the gospels (though not in their final editions) are soundly based on eye-witness testimony of Peter, Matthew, Andrew, John, and (my idiosyncracy) Nicodemus.
My research has been presented here in TWeb at some length in Apologetics 301, mostly in the last half of 2005.
Last edited by Adam; June 14th 2006 at 12:34 AM.
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