Is The Pope Of Romanism The Head Of The Body Of Christ, Or Is Jesus The Head?

[Jude3b]

Roman Catholics will often be quick to tell you that the Eucharist is "the center of the Church's life."

How few today uderstand the implications of such a belief.

To the Christian, the bread and "wine" are simple reminders of the New "Testament" (agreement) between God and man of the redemption from sin bought by Christ's death in our place on the cross at Calvary.

But over the centuries, the popes of Roman Catholicism have made the wafer, itself, the actual god of that religion.

Roman Catholicism calls it the "dogma of the Real Presence." In fact their council of Trent declared that "in the sacrament of the most holy, Holy Eucharist is contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ."

How does Roman Catholicism make a wafer into a god?

First you start with a wheat wafer. Next you must have an officially ordained Roman Catholic priest. The priest does a bit of magic and treats the wafer like any other idol. It is placed for worship in a special little house called a tabernacle. Or it is displayed for "adoration" in a monstrance, a sunburst shaped stand where the "faithful" can bow before it. Or it is eaten during the Roman Catholic mass as a continuation of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

Sometimes the monstrance is carried in a parade, or "procession," in honor of the wafer god. Or it is placed in a chapel for "perpetual adoration" where faithful Roman Catholics rotate around the clock bowing and praying to it.

This wafer god even has its own goddess. The faithful Roman Catholics are sometimes urged to "contemplate the Eucharist with the eyes of Mary."

You see, it is the view of Roman Catholicism that "it is through Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, that mankind meets the Savior of the world, the son of Mary. Roman Catholicism teaches that the Virgin Mary Goddess was born without sin, thus giving her another attribute equal to Christ.

Sometimes, popes have even granted special plenary indulgences for Catholics who participate in veneration of the Blessed Sacrament. In other words, worship of the wafer god can get time in purgatory reduced.

Have you figured out Rome's scheme in all of this yet?

If you believe that the wafer is literally Jesus, then you must come to a Roman Catholic priest to "receive Jesus." And since only the priest can forgive (absolve) your sins, than Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient to cleanse all sin. Therefore indulgences must be obtained to shorten your time in purgatory where you "purge" some sins by your own suffering. Of course, if an indulgence is bought or earned, you won't have to suffer as long perhaps as someone who couldn't obtain as many indulgence's. What a racket!

Can there be any more abominable idol than the Roman Catholic religion and its wafer god system?

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Jude,

Mary is a goddess in the Roman system? Mind producing official texts for this claim? You may hate the RCC but misrepresenting it is not an option, sorry.

Added: I'll also ask for official statements about the wafer being treated as an idol, since that's the thread topic.

btw I disagree with the RCC myself
Punkish

[Hypertox]

Roman Catholics will often be quick to tell you that the Eucharist is "the center of the Church's life."

How few today uderstand the implications of such a belief.

To the Christian, the bread and "wine" are simple reminders of the New "Testament" (agreement) between God and man of the redemption from sin bought by Christ's death in our place on the cross at Calvary.

But over the centuries, the popes of Roman Catholicism have made the wafer, itself, the actual god of that religion.

Roman Catholicism calls it the "dogma of the Real Presence." In fact their council of Trent declared that "in the sacrament of the most holy, Holy Eucharist is contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ."

How does Roman Catholicism make a wafer into a god?

First you start with a wheat wafer. Next you must have an officially ordained Roman Catholic priest. The priest does a bit of magic and treats the wafer like any other idol. It is placed for worship in a special little house called a tabernacle. Or it is displayed for "adoration" in a monstrance, a sunburst shaped stand where the "faithful" can bow before it. Or it is eaten during the Roman Catholic mass as a continuation of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

Sometimes the monstrance is carried in a parade, or "procession," in honor of the wafer god. Or it is placed in a chapel for "perpetual adoration" where faithful Roman Catholics rotate around the clock bowing and praying to it.

This wafer god even has its own goddess. The faithful Roman Catholics are sometimes urged to "contemplate the Eucharist with the eyes of Mary."

You see, it is the view of Roman Catholicism that "it is through Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, that mankind meets the Savior of the world, the son of Mary. Roman Catholicism teaches that the Virgin Mary Goddess was born without sin, thus giving her another attribute equal to Christ.

Sometimes, popes have even granted special plenary indulgences for Catholics who participate in veneration of the Blessed Sacrament. In other words, worship of the wafer god can get time in purgatory reduced.

Have you figured out Rome's scheme in all of this yet?

If you believe that the wafer is literally Jesus, then you must come to a Roman Catholic priest to "receive Jesus." And since only the priest can forgive (absolve) your sins, than Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient to cleanse all sin. Therefore indulgences must be obtained to shorten your time in purgatory where you "purge" some sins by your own suffering. Of course, if an indulgence is bought or earned, you won't have to suffer as long perhaps as someone who couldn't obtain as many indulgence's. What a racket!

Can there be any more abominable idol than the Roman Catholic religion and its wafer god system?

The idolatry of the Roman Catholic Church is a real idolatry. It is also a hidden idolatry. No Catholic will admit to worshipping any but God. A Catholic will not realise that they are committing idolatry. However subtle, the exaltation of Mary, saints, icons and sundry bits of bread is at the very least a violation of the second commandment.
You see, it is very innocent. It is a small step from a sacrement to a sacrelige, but is a step away from God. Were it not for these traitorous practices of the Roman Catholic Church, many would be closer to Christ. I do not believe the RCC is of the Devil, but it is not of God.

[Jude3b]

Jude,

Mary is a goddess in the Roman system? Mind producing official texts for this claim? You may hate the RCC but misrepresenting it is not an option, sorry.

Added: I'll also ask for official statements about the wafer being treated as an idol, since that's the thread topic.

btw I disagree with the RCC myself
Punkish

Dear Jedi Punkish:

I did not say that Roman Catholicism calls Mary a goddess. But they do give her "exalted titles" such as: "...Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." (see the Roman Catholic Catechism page 252, #969).

Are any of those titles actually applicable to Mary? Does Mary actually fulfill any of those? NO!

Jesus Christ is our advocate (see I John 2:1) Not Mary.

God is our helper (see Hebrews 13:6) Not Mary.

Benefactress, whatever that is? The Bible does not use that word anywhere.

Jesus Christ is our mediator, not Mary (see I Tim. 2:5).

Roman Catholicism does not call Mary a goddess, but the observance of the "Immaculate Conception" in the Roman Catholic declared Mary to have been born without sin, and Rome says she lived without ever sinning, thus giving her another attribute equal to Christ and in that sense they are making a "goddess" out of her.

Mary would be the first one to tell you that she is not a "goddess" and Mary "rejoiced in God her savior." She was not sinless or she would not have needed a Savior.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Dear Jude
you wrote,

"I did not say that Roman Catholicism calls Mary a goddess."

You are denying that you wrote in the OP,
"Roman Catholicism teaches that the Virgin Mary Goddess was born without sin, thus giving her another attribute equal to Christ."?

from Punkish

[Hypertox]

Dear Jude
you wrote,

"I did not say that Roman Catholicism calls Mary a goddess."

You are denying that you wrote in the OP,
"Roman Catholicism teaches that the Virgin Mary Goddess was born without sin, thus giving her another attribute equal to Christ."?

from Punkish

Punkish, notice that Jude himself called Mary a goddess. He did not claim that the RCC call her a goddess. Fine distinction, but important. There lies the problem. Roman catholics do not understand they have elevated Mary to the position of a God. Jude does and states it in his original post.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

oh right. so er, Jude is more unorthodox than the RCC because he called Mary a goddess?

Seriously though, if Jude is calling Mary something the RCC does not, then he's misrepresenting them.

[Hypertox]

oh right. so er, Jude is more unorthodox than the RCC because he called Mary a goddess?

Seriously though, if Jude is calling Mary something the RCC does not, then he's misrepresenting them.

Perhaps. Or perhaps the RCC is blind to their idolatry and Jude is not? He is not stating their dogma, but his own view own what their actions are in God's eyes.

[Meh_Gerbil]

Popery?
Potpourri?
Poopery?

[Hail Mary]

Does this shock you?

John 6

53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

[Jude3b]

Punkish, notice that Jude himself called Mary a goddess. He did not claim that the RCC call her a goddess. Fine distinction, but important. There lies the problem. Roman catholics do not understand they have elevated Mary to the position of a God. Jude does and states it in his original post.

Dear Hypertox:

Thank you for explaining that to Punkish. At least someone can read here on TWEB. I appreciate it.

[Jude3b]

Does this shock you?

John 6

53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

Dear General Ripper:

Nothing in the Bible shocks me!

It should be obvious here that Christ is speaking of the symbolic food and drink represented by His flesh and blood; otherwise IT WOULD BE CANNIBALISTIC, even if it were physically possible, to actually eat and drink His physical flesh and blood.

Christ made all this very clear in John 6:63, when He explained:

"The WORDS that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, AND THEY ARE LIFE."

This spiritual concept was later to be incorporated in the institution of the Lord's supper (see I Corinthians 11:23-26).

[Hail Mary]

Dear General Ripper:

Nothing in the Bible shocks me!

It should be obvious here that Christ is speaking of the symbolic food and drink represented by His flesh and blood; otherwise IT WOULD BE CANNIBALISTIC, even if it were physically possible, to actually eat and drink His physical flesh and blood.

Hi Jude, how would symbolic food shock anyone? And why would Christ say its TRUE food, if it were symbolic? Was this, like, opposite day in Nazareth or something?

About cannibals, did you know one of the reasons the earliest Christians were persecuted was the Romans thought they were cannibals? Pretty cool huh?

[Joe Gofish]

Jude,

Mary is a goddess in the Roman system? Mind producing official texts for this claim? You may hate the RCC but misrepresenting it is not an option, sorry.

Added: I'll also ask for official statements about the wafer being treated as an idol, since that's the thread topic.

btw I disagree with the RCC myself
Punkish

This bible twisting bigot is just doing his ranting and raving.
How can some one have so mush hate and say they are Christians.

[1.61803399]

Jude,

Mary is a goddess in the Roman system? Mind producing official texts for this claim? You may hate the RCC but misrepresenting it is not an option, sorry.

Added: I'll also ask for official statements about the wafer being treated as an idol, since that's the thread topic.

btw I disagree with the RCC myself
Punkish

First of all, I want to thank you for this post. Especially considering your last line, it is great to see someone challenging Jude.

There are no documents he can point to for either claim. (and yes, his OP does imply that it is Catholic teaching).

Mary's honored place in Catholicsm is the subject of much misinterpretation, but I can show someone who will listen where it dervies from.

As for the Eucharist:
Catholics are not the only ones to hold the view that the host becomes the body of Jesus (Eastern Orthodox, trans-sub & Lutheran, co-sub).

If John 6:30-56 is not shocking, why did so many leave Him. What is such a hard teaching about a symbolic meal? It was common in Judaism, as in Passover. But yet, many leave and He lets them go.

Regardless of all this: We are worshipping Jesus (whom we believe is truly present). We are not worshipping an idol, but our Lord and Savior.

Pax Christi!