a different world without a deity

[Griggsy]

How would , for the sake of argument, the world be without a deity ? Would there be more evil and more lack of design? Would putative miracles not still happen? Would there be even more chaos? How does having a deity shape the world?Try imagining a world without one seriously!For me, natural selection is the deity -eternity and power, no other attributes . So for the sake of argument , I am a pantheist here now. I see the world without a supernatural deity, but the deity of natural selection is awesome!

[ApologiaPhoenix]

How would , for the sake of argument, the world be without a deity ? Would there be more evil and more lack of design? Would putative miracles not still happen? Would there be even more chaos? How does having a deity shape the world?Try imagining a world without one seriously!For me, natural selection is the deity -eternity and power, no other attributes . So for the sake of argument , I am a pantheist here now. I see the world without a supernatural deity, but the deity of natural selection is awesome!

*Tries imagining*

*Sees absolutely nothing*

Yep. It's different.

[Stabbytheclown]

How would , for the sake of argument, the world be without a deity ? Would there be more evil and more lack of design? Would putative miracles not still happen? Would there be even more chaos? How does having a deity shape the world?Try imagining a world without one seriously!For me, natural selection is the deity -eternity and power, no other attributes . So for the sake of argument , I am a pantheist here now. I see the world without a supernatural deity, but the deity of natural selection is awesome!

I would be wary of anthropomorphising natural selection. It has no plan or consciousness, after all. Plus, for humans at least, sexual selection is a bigger influence on the species (which admittedly is a natural selection, but one in which we have a choice).

[Samurai Drifter]

How would , for the sake of argument, the world be without a deity ? Would there be more evil and more lack of design? Would putative miracles not still happen? Would there be even more chaos? How does having a deity shape the world?Try imagining a world without one seriously!For me, natural selection is the deity -eternity and power, no other attributes . So for the sake of argument , I am a pantheist here now. I see the world without a supernatural deity, but the deity of natural selection is awesome!

The world wouldn't exist in that scenario.

[John Powell]

APOLOGIA NICK:
*Tries imagining*

*Sees absolutely nothing*

Yep. It's different.

SAMURAI DRIFTER:
The world wouldn't exist in that scenario.

POWELL:
It's unreasonable to deny the possibility of hypotheticals that are possible.

What is self-contradictory about the statement "The Earth exists and God does not"?

Your apparent inability to imagine what is logically possible exposes the self-deception you have done to yourself. Atheists can imagine a world WITH God as well as one without, so why can't you imagine a world WITHOUT God? Why are you putting clamps on your powers of the imagination? What do you fear? The sin of doubt?

John Powell

[Captain Ochre]

POWELL:
It's unreasonable to deny the possibility of hypotheticals that are possible.

Didn't you do something akin to that while trying to explore the compatibility of two concepts in the same possible world?

What is self-contradictory about the statement "The Earth exists and God does not"?

I think that I could explain the self-contradiction in the terms you used in another thread.
Would you accept it, I wonder?

Your apparent inability to imagine what is logically possible exposes the self-deception you have done to yourself. Atheists can imagine a world WITH God as well as one without, so why can't you imagine a world WITHOUT God? Why are you putting clamps on your powers of the imagination? What do you fear? The sin of doubt?

Seriously, I think that the issue is worth exploring, but your voice on this issue, Powell, cannot be taken seriously.

[Mountain Man]

The OP is bit like asking "Try and imagine your own non-existence." It's impossible.

[Captain Ochre]

The OP is bit like asking "Try and imagine your own non-existence." It's impossible.

You can do the experiment in the spirit in which it is intended by supposing an impersonal god instead of a personal god, I think.

[Meh_Gerbil]

I think we can get a glimpse into this by studying societies that drive G_d out of the public sector and turn only to themselves for the definition and resolution of problems. Every instance of that of which I'm aware brings about death, destruction and desolation.

[salvationfound]

Your apparent inability to imagine what is logically possible exposes the self-deception you have done to yourself. Atheists can imagine a world WITH God as well as one without, so why can't you imagine a world WITHOUT God? Why are you putting clamps on your powers of the imagination? What do you fear? The sin of doubt?

No you can't imagine a world with God and I'll explain why. Can you right now
say that you can imagine a world where sending people to Hell, slavery is
permissible, sending Jesus to brutally die for sins, world being destroyed in a
global flood are examples of a loving, just and righteous world view? If the
answer is no then the answer is no you cannot imagine a world with God
because that's the very God we are asking you to imagine. The only God you
can imagine is one that fits your view of what a God should be. That's not
an answer to our question. Our question is imagine a world where sending
people to Hell is a loving act only if you can do that can you imagine a world
with God.

By asking us to imagine a world without God is asking us to imagine a world
where our whole view of things is skewed just like asking you to imagine a
world where going to Hell is a loving act. It would be a world where life from
non-life, morals, etc. don't come from a deity we can't do it. You might as
well ask us to imagine a world where 2+2=5.

[Stabbytheclown]

I think we can get a glimpse into this by studying societies that drive G_d out of the public sector and turn only to themselves for the definition and resolution of problems. Every instance of that of which I'm aware brings about death, destruction and desolation.

Could you expand on this, please?

[Sir Meep]

Greetings, Stabbytheclown! ^_^

Could you expand on this, please?

I think what he meant to say is that countries and regions that actively try to dishevel or eliminate religious beliefs tend to run into a lot of problems.

Like the Soviet Union, for instance.

[Meh_Gerbil]

Could you expand on this, please?

I'm not sure if there is much to expand upon.
To answer the question in the OP I would expect a good test would be to find societies that depreceate G_d or try to completely drive him out. See what the results are...

[Stabbytheclown]

I'm not sure if there is much to expand upon.
To answer the question in the OP I would expect a good test would be to find societies that depreceate G_d or try to completely drive him out. See what the results are...

Japan and South Korea are non Abrahamic, yet seem to do ok. India seems to be rapidly increasing in power and wellbeing, despite being mostly Hindu.

[Meh_Gerbil]

Japan and South Korea are non Abrahamic, yet seem to do ok. India seems to be rapidly increasing in power and wellbeing, despite being mostly Hindu.

The question in the OP is about any diety - there was no reference made to Abrahamic religions.