Polygamy Versus Democracy - You can't have Both?

[Simeon]

Would Polygamy, in all its forms inhibit and ultimately undermine social freedom and democracy?

This looks interesting........

Polygamy Versus Democracy

You can't have both

by Stanley Kurtz

IT TOOK A TELEVISION SERIES about a Viagra-popping patriarch with three friendly/jealous wives and tightly scheduled evenings to set off a serious public debate about polygamy. And that was precisely the intention of the creators of this now infamous television show--no, not Big Love, the American series that debuted on HBO in March, but 'Ailat Al-Hagg Metwalli (Hagg Metwalli's Family), an Egyptian serial that stirred emotions and sparked a bitter debate about polygamy in the Muslim world during the holy month of Ramadan 2001.

The drama heats up when fiftysomething Metwalli Said, longtime husband of three, decides to court a young woman, Samira, in the hope of making her his fourth wife. Unbeknownst to Metwalli, Samira is in love with his own son, who is eventually forced by his father to forsake Samira to marry the daughter of a relative (as is often preferred in Muslim societies). Metwalli's Viagra-induced heart attack brings the story to a head.

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[Conductor42]

Ugh.


I really wish some of you people would stop making judgements about polygamists based on the media. Try talking to some of them in person. Learning about their lifestyles. Eating one of their homemade apple pies. Then, once you've actually learned that they are human beings - just like you and I - then you can judge them.

Until then, stop demonizing them.

[Simeon]

Ugh.


I really wish some of you people would stop making judgements about polygamists based on the media. Try talking to some of them in person. Learning about their lifestyles. Eating one of their homemade apple pies. Then, once you've actually learned that they are human beings - just like you and I - then you can judge them.

Until then, stop demonizing them.

This thread has to do more with the Law, and Freedom.

There is no Freedom in Polygamy. Thus the open opportunity to kidnal child brides and abuse women by forcing them into an unlawful relationship or contract in America and in Muslim Societies, an unbiblical relationship that Mohammed twisted and abused.

[Ryokan]

Ugh.


I really wish some of you people would stop making judgements about polygamists based on the media. Try talking to some of them in person. Learning about their lifestyles. Eating one of their homemade apple pies. Then, once you've actually learned that they are human beings - just like you and I - then you can judge them.

Until then, stop demonizing them.

Traditionally, polygamy is based off a patriarchial, sexist family and social heirarchy. Show me a polygamist family where a woman calls the shots, and has three men she is married to do her bidding, and we'll talk. As it stands, in the vast majority of cases polygamy seems like a bad deal for women to me.

[Simeon]

Traditionally, polygamy is based off a patriarchial, sexist family and social heirarchy. Show me a polygamist family where a woman calls the shots, and has three men she is married to do her bidding, and we'll talk. As it stands, in the vast majority of cases polygamy seems like a bad deal for women to me.

Although recently, a few women went public and claimed loudly that they loved it. Good men are gard to find? (Apparently so in Egypt!?)

[Dee Dee Warren]

Wow, please don't judge anything until you went through the huggy feely process of eating their apple pie. How inane.

[Ryokan]

Wow, please don't judge anything until you went through the huggy feely process of eating their apple pie. How inane.

Thankyou Dee Dee. In the old south, I am sure their many slaves who made awfully fine apple pie. Some of them even fought for the confederacy. But it doesn't make it right.

[Dee Dee Warren]

You got it. There were black people defending their position in life as slaves. There will always be someone to defend anything, even those who are getting exploited. We call such people either vastly uninformed, cowed, or deviant.

Polygamy at its core is exploitative of women and robs them in ways almost too numerous to count. Are there times and situations where because of greater evils it is to be preferred. Yes. If in a country where there is a greater evil of being a single woman and there is a scarcity of suitable males, then it would be preferred to be polygamous. But I am not speaking of choosing between bad situations, I am speaking of ideals. It is so insulting to women to suggest that such is an ideal that I could almost spit and in so doing puke out that wonderful apple pie.

[Simeon]

Wow, please don't judge anything until you went through the huggy feely process of eating their apple pie. How inane.

Or, until you move in with a White-bearded Fundamentalist Mormon ex-communicated Taliban in the four corners of UT/CO/NM/AZ and dine and fellowship with the Cult leader and his child brides.

How does that saying go about walking in another's shoes for a mile? Judge not?

[Simeon]

Thankyou Dee Dee. In the old south, I am sure their many slaves who made awfully fine apple pie. Some of them even fought for the confederacy. But it doesn't make it right.

Sure the Stockholm syndrome. Patty Hearst enjoyed the kidnapping experience from her exploitive Capitalist parents.

[Epoetker]

Polygamy is generally a worse deal for the men, though of course men generally won't admit it.

Teh Hobbit's original response pretty much parodies itself. Though a good response is: "I imagine Osama bin Laden as a man who has a favorite color and haggles over the price of drinks and loves volleyball and spoils his children and laughs when his friends farts, but this humanized man is just as much in need of a bullet to the head as the grimacing caricature on some redneck's T-shirt."

I think what Teh Hobbit has is a failure to understand the Monkeysphere.

[Conductor42]

There is no Freedom in Polygamy.

Funny, I've heard the same thing about marriage in general from some Femonazis.

Thus the open opportunity to kidnal child brides and abuse women by forcing them into an unlawful relationship or contract in America and in Muslim Societies, an unbiblical relationship that Mohammed twisted and abused.

The exact same scenario can happen, and has happened, and continues to happen in some parts of the world in monogamous settings as well.

[Conductor42]

Show me a polygamist family where a woman calls the shots, and has three men she is married to do her bidding, and we'll talk.

That would be polyandry, not polygamy. As far as I know, there haven't been many polyandrous marriages for quite some time.

Now if you would like to see a polygamist family where the 3 wives are in control of the husband, I would invite you to come visit me. I'll introduce you to some of their families. I'll even give you free dinner at the restraunt I manage

As it stands, in the vast majority of cases polygamy seems like a bad deal for women to me.

In many cases it is. You'll get no argument from me there.

But, there are also many cases where monogamous marriages turn bitter for the woman.

The solution, as with any other issue, is some good education which lets them know what is right & what is wrong.

[Conductor42]

Polygamy at its core is exploitative of women and robs them in ways almost too numerous to count. Are there times and situations where because of greater evils it is to be preferred. Yes. If in a country where there is a greater evil of being a single woman and there is a scarcity of suitable males, then it would be preferred to be polygamous. But I am not speaking of choosing between bad situations, I am speaking of ideals. It is so insulting to women to suggest that such is an ideal that I could almost spit and in so doing puke out that wonderful apple pie.

Hrm, is that why God allowed it in the bible?

No, polygamy is not exploitative of women at its core, not any more than marriage in general is. That is horse raddish, and anyone who has actually lived among polygamists knows this.

Instead of swallowing the pill that our traditional monogomous, anti-polygamous culture and media say about them - try learning for yourself. You know, that whole "walk a mile in their shoe" type of thing.

[Dee Dee Warren]

"allowed" is the operative word, and in fact the NT makes it clear that is not the ideal

You assume that I have swallowed a pill because I dare to disagree with you and your promotion of exploitation - sorry that don't fly.... I could pull a "walk a mile in their shoe" when it comes to being a woman but that would be silly... just as your comment was silly. The same argument could be applied to all sorts of vile behaviour. Sorry but women deserve better.