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    Quote Originally Posted by eschaton View Post
    All I know is that everything I see about libertarian seems to be against Christian values. Check some of Penn Gillettte's videos on Libertarianism. People need to know the truth. As far as dizzle is concerned, people can check her Youtube channel.
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    If you check Roderick's website I think you will see he is talking mainly about partial preterism. He was a partial preterist for 15 years before he rejected it. Sam Frost is named as another who followed the same path. I don't think Roderick ever accepted full preterism. I think Craig is talking about partial preterism as well, because he criticizes a coming in judgment in 70AD. Of course both modern preterism and futurism were introduced by the Jesuits to counter Protestant historicism in the 18th century.

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    Why does it matter? As long as one doesn't deny the final resurrection of the dead(physical, glorified bodies, ) and a final judgement, I don't see how the timing of the fulfillment of any other prophecies really matters. The important thing is to remember that God is ultimately in control of the good ending/beginning?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    What matters is if Christians follow preterism's logical conclusions they are in danger of becoming atheists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschaton View Post
    What matters is if Christians follow preterism's logical conclusions they are in danger of becoming atheists.
    How does that even follow? Does it really matter if Jesus was predicting the 70AD fall of Jerusalem or some far, far future tribulateion? Or something else, since the idea of a far future tribulation is relatively recent.
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    I think I answered your question in my opening post. Dr. Craig, Roderick E, and myself all agree and have given our reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschaton View Post
    I think I answered your question in my opening post. Dr. Craig, Roderick E, and myself all agree and have given our reasons.
    Not really. Saying it does isn't the same as detailing a logical proof. Any orthodox preterist would still believe that God will raise the dead and deliver judgement in the last day. Why would their be specific predictions for things happening thousands of years later(other than the resurrection, final judgement, new creation)? It still wouldn't have a factor for us. Why be so sure that we are in the end times? If it happened like that, it could still be thousands more years. Jesus could come back anytime within the next 800 million years(whenever conditions on earth are too hot for life).
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    An orthodox preterist wouldn't say anything like that if he becomes an atheist. Did you follow Roderick's logic? Did you follow Craig's logic? To me partial preterist interpretation seems wholly inconsistent. There are two second comings similar to what dispensationalism teaches. One in 70AD and one at the end of the world. One is speaking metaphorically and the other literally. Full preterists are right to criticize partial preterists for their arbitrary interpretation.

    Consider the fact that over a million babies a year are legally slaughtered in this country. God's created order has been rejected here and much of the world (Mat 19:4-5). How long can things continue?

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    Hprrible stuff has be going on for millennia. I personaly don't care who is right. I just don't like any view getting portrayed as bad, when it doesn't follow. And you can't argue by weblink. You have to give the actual syllogism.
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    If the dead are not raised, than Christ has not been raised.
    The Resurrection of Jesus is core to Christianity.
    Thus, in order for Christianity to be true, Christ had to have been raised from the dead.
    Thus, the dead are raised.

    More formally: If A, then B. A. Therefore B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschaton View Post
    If you check Roderick's website I think you will see he is talking mainly about partial preterism. He was a partial preterist for 15 years before he rejected it. Sam Frost is named as another who followed the same path. I don't think Roderick ever accepted full preterism. I think Craig is talking about partial preterism as well, because he criticizes a coming in judgment in 70AD. Of course both modern preterism and futurism were introduced by the Jesuits to counter Protestant historicism in the 18th century.
    Roderick was emphatically NOT a partial preterist for 15 years - he was a hyperpreterist. If you can't get that basic point correct, there's no point in even skimming anything else you type.
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