For those Christians on Tweb that use the term "fundie" to describe other Christians (you know who you are), can you tell me what you believe the definition of a fundamentalist Christian is as opposed to a Christian not a fundamentalist and why you believe you're not a fundie Christian.
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A fundy is someone who refuses to look at the historical/social context of the Bible and insists on reading it like it was written yesterday, in English, and in a culture exactly like their own. They also tease out personal meaning from every single verse even when it doesn't make exegetical sense. They may also have legalistic tendencies.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostA fundy is someone who refuses to look at the historical/social context of the Bible and insists on reading it like it was written yesterday, in English, and in a culture exactly like their own. They also tease out personal meaning from every single verse even when it doesn't make exegetical sense. They may also have legalistic tendencies.
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I'd be perfectly willing to identify as a fundamentalist if it weren't for all the negative connotations behind it. Instead, I identify as an Evangelical, or more likely but different in meaning, a Pentecostal.Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5
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I've never really used the word "fundie" to describe other Christians, so maybe I'm one of the "fundies".
It seems to me, in some odd way, that a Christian who calls another Christian a "fundie" may be unconsciously admitting that they themselves are not really living the Christian life.
A "fundamentalist" is somebody who practices the "fundamentals". In a way, it means "by the book". When I'm on an airplane, I WANT my pilot to be a fundamentalist - I don't want him playing with the controls wondering what would happen if he "rotated" at 80 knots instead of 120, if that's what the book said was optimal. I don't want him setting the flaps at 40% when the procedure calls for 10%. I don't want him trying a rate of descent greater than what the manufacturer of the plane has certified. I WANT him flying that plane "by the book". I WANT him to be a fundamentalist!
I'm a personal soul winner, because I believe Jesus really meant "I will make you fishers of men". I get some blowback from "fellow Christians" when I talk about that, or when I challenge others, because I'm into "credentialism". No, I'm just doing what I believe the Bible teaches, and what Jesus has called me to do. Maybe that makes me a "fundie".
Or maybe a "fundie" is somebody who literally believes Genesis is the story of Creation.
I really don't know, but those are some thoughts.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Generally, people who self-identify as fundamentalists do claim to believe and follow the Bible. In practice, they generally believe and follow what some preacher or other tells them is in the Bible, replete with the preacher's eisegesis.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI've never really used the word "fundie" to describe other Christians, so maybe I'm one of the "fundies".
It seems to me, in some odd way, that a Christian who calls another Christian a "fundie" may be unconsciously admitting that they themselves are not really living the Christian life.
A "fundamentalist" is somebody who practices the "fundamentals". In a way, it means "by the book". When I'm on an airplane, I WANT my pilot to be a fundamentalist - I don't want him playing with the controls wondering what would happen if he "rotated" at 80 knots instead of 120, if that's what the book said was optimal. I don't want him setting the flaps at 40% when the procedure calls for 10%. I don't want him trying a rate of descent greater than what the manufacturer of the plane has certified. I WANT him flying that plane "by the book". I WANT him to be a fundamentalist!
I'm a personal soul winner, because I believe Jesus really meant "I will make you fishers of men". I get some blowback from "fellow Christians" when I talk about that, or when I challenge others, because I'm into "credentialism". No, I'm just doing what I believe the Bible teaches, and what Jesus has called me to do. Maybe that makes me a "fundie".
Or maybe a "fundie" is somebody who literally believes Genesis is the story of Creation.
I really don't know, but those are some thoughts.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI've never really used the word "fundie" to describe other Christians, so maybe I'm one of the "fundies".
It seems to me, in some odd way, that a Christian who calls another Christian a "fundie" may be unconsciously admitting that they themselves are not really living the Christian life.
A "fundamentalist" is somebody who practices the "fundamentals". In a way, it means "by the book". When I'm on an airplane, I WANT my pilot to be a fundamentalist - I don't want him playing with the controls wondering what would happen if he "rotated" at 80 knots instead of 120, if that's what the book said was optimal. I don't want him setting the flaps at 40% when the procedure calls for 10%. I don't want him trying a rate of descent greater than what the manufacturer of the plane has certified. I WANT him flying that plane "by the book". I WANT him to be a fundamentalist!
I'm a personal soul winner, because I believe Jesus really meant "I will make you fishers of men". I get some blowback from "fellow Christians" when I talk about that, or when I challenge others, because I'm into "credentialism". No, I'm just doing what I believe the Bible teaches, and what Jesus has called me to do. Maybe that makes me a "fundie".
Or maybe a "fundie" is somebody who literally believes Genesis is the story of Creation.
I really don't know, but those are some thoughts.
Despite all of this, I consider myself a Fundamentalist based on the original understanding.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI'm generally a bit uncomfortable with Christians calling other Christians "fundies" as way of an insult or put down. Fundamentalists were those who sought to get back to the basics -- the fundamentals if you will. Unfortunately the term has become a pejorative.
To my knowledge, the SBC is the only major denomination that has ever drifted left, and come back to conservative roots.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI'm generally a bit uncomfortable with Christians calling other Christians "fundies" as way of an insult or put down. Fundamentalists were those who sought to get back to the basics -- the fundamentals if you will. Unfortunately the term has become a pejorative.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThe impression I'm getting I guess is that the ones using that word as a pejorative against another Christian is just using the term wrongly in order to set themselves apart from the Christian they disagree with.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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I've always considered "fundamentalist" to have three definitions:
1)the original late 19th/early 20th century conservative protestant group that was reacting to liberal influences by emphasizing the core beliefs in the Bible (the fundamentals)
2)not associated with the above group but basically having the same convictions (emphasize core beliefs)
3)a derogatory term for someone who is anti-intellectual, literal-minded regardless of context, and possibly conspiracy-minded. Doesn't have to refer to a Christian and can refer to other religions, atheists, and other beliefs.
So I don't think there are necessarily two groups of fundementalists. There is an actual group of Christian believers who emphasize the authority of scripture and the fundamentals of the faith but aren't opposed to things like contextual studies of the Bible. This sort of fundamentalist can defend the faith with evidence and reason. This group understands there are complexities involved and will welcome questions and challenges as opportunities to further deepen their faith. After all, God created the universe so all truth really is God's truth. So no believer should fear. I would consider myself part of this group as I do hold to the core tenets of the Christian faith (i.e. Jesus's deity, the Trinity, the physical resurrection of Jesus, etc).
The third group isn't really a group but more of a faulty mindset or approach. With these sorts of fundamentalists: questions are to be feared, everything is a conspiracy, everyone else is extremely evil, everything has to be approached in an ethnocentric literalist way, etc. And the reason I don't consider this a group is because you can have people converting from one religion to another, or from a religion to atheism, etc, and their mindset remains the same.Last edited by Paula; 08-05-2015, 08:24 PM.
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I agree that #1-2 is the correct use. #3 is an improper use by which to separate one Christian from another that they disagree with by using it in a derogatory way. Kind of like a black person distinguishing himself from another black by using the N word in an improper way, or not in a way the term was originally coined.
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