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Originally posted by Adrift View PostUnfortunately I feel that the word "Evangelical" is starting to gain the same derogatory meaning as "Fundamentalist" does now. Very often you'll read skeptics or even some liberal Christians refer to "Evangelicals" with a sort of sneer in their tone our language. I personally attempt to stay away from any label other than Christian, but I don't mind overly mind being called a fundamentalist or evangelical. I'm for both fundamentalism in its original sense, and certainly evangelism. I wouldn't mind seeing Christians reclaim these words in a positive sense.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostUnfortunately I feel that the word "Evangelical" is starting to gain the same derogatory meaning as "Fundamentalist" does now. Very often you'll read skeptics or even some liberal Christians refer to "Evangelicals" with a sort of sneer in their tone our language. I personally attempt to stay away from any label other than Christian, but I don't overly mind being called a fundamentalist or evangelical. I'm for both fundamentalism in its original sense, and certainly evangelism. I wouldn't mind seeing Christians reclaim these words in a positive sense.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostIt's more that anti-intellectualism is bad. We're to love God with all our minds!
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Originally posted by seanD View PostNo Christan I know is "anti-intellectual." Be specific. Do you mean anti-evolution? Anti-medical establishment? Anti-higher biblical criticism? Anti-biblical criticism in general?If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Fundie carries with it an idea of belligerence toward anything outside their views. In our culture, Evangelical is often used as a sort of alternative to "Luddite" in my experience due to ignorance and stupidity in both the culture and among many Christians also. I like the term Puritan as well as Evangelical.
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I would say that an American fundamentalist often exhibits these traits --
Doctrinally they are Protestants, premillennial type. Many are Christian Zionists.
Politically they are often Israeli Firsters. (Which of course means Palestine and Iran are last).
It's the political identification that troubles me ...
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I saw some fundies on sale a while age - undies with four leg holes. Hooda thunkit?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Whatever ideas are carried with the word "fundie" the word is just a pejorative for Fundamentalist. Fundamentalism is simply the acceptance of the Christian fundamentals. People can add all sorts of negatives to it, but is nothing more than an expression of contempt or dislike. It has no real meaning in and of itself but what has been stuck onto it.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostNo Christan I know is "anti-intellectual." Be specific. Do you mean anti-evolution? Anti-medical establishment? Anti-climate change science? Anti-higher biblical criticism? Anti-biblical criticism in general?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'm not so sure. My youth group leader in high school told me "don't think, just believe" when I admitted to doubts. Then not much later, my father told me to give up trying to intellectualize anything with faith because it's impossible.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'm not so sure. My youth group leader in high school told me "don't think, just believe" when I admitted to doubts. Then not much later, my father told me to give up trying to intellectualize anything with faith because it's impossible.
1/ "I don't know, and I can't be bothered checking."
2/ The church doesn't consider questioning its teachings to be seemly."
Historically, very few churches of any denomination, whether "orthodox" or "radical", have encouraged questions beyond a narrow range. Nowadays, many denominations will find almost any precept acceptable - just so long as there are occupied pews. The balance hold to the more historical procedures.Last edited by tabibito; 08-24-2015, 04:02 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI'm not so sure. My youth group leader in high school told me "don't think, just believe" when I admitted to doubts. Then not much later, my father told me to give up trying to intellectualize anything with faith because it's impossible.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI might be refering to my straw fundy, but hopefully there aren't people out there that say one shouldn't use one's brain. I may mean cults where questions are not allowed and the leader is completely in charge. Aside from spiritually abusive situations and situations where people refuse medical aid, there may not be any other extreme examples.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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