Our Featured Member Article: Joseph in the Batter's Box by. JP Holding

[Rushing Jaws]

Amen

The demand that we blindfold ourselves with the Bible will hardly enable us to see what it really means.

I'll gladly grant you five pearl for this


- FreezBee

## That's very kind of you

Unfortunately, it leaves one with a dilemma: if I give you some in return, that looks ungrateful, and nullifies the gift; but if I don't, that also looks ungrateful ##

[jpholding]

Anyway, the problem is somewhat unclear to me. Lowder appears to claim that ETDAV was supposed to directly convince people; but of course McDowell is the only ultimate authority on the purpose of his own book. So if that's what you are trying to communicate, I agree with you.

Whew! How long did THAT take!

If I were, how would I know? Wouldn't it require intelligence to fake being a human being?

Your mom is probably helping you type.

Then why did you write it? That's not a nice thing to do - writing stuff you don't expect people to understand

I also expect you to come up to the right level of education so that you CAN understand it. IOW learn to eat meat instead of just Hostess Ding Dongs. Read http://www.tektonics.org/gk/indictment.html also for an idea where I come from.

Ahh, you ARE really just envious

Right now...."bored" is a better word....you're not very interesting, you know.

[FreezBee]

Whew! How long did THAT take!

Now, now, hold your ponies - I was simply a preliminary verdict that demands evidence.

Your mom is probably helping you type.

Ooh, if that implies that my mom is a human being, and I am not, you must be a believer in evolution - that might disappoint a few of your fans, if they knew that.

I also expect you to come up to the right level of education so that you CAN understand it. IOW learn to eat meat instead of just Hostess Ding Dongs. Read http://www.tektonics.org/gk/indictment.html also for an idea where I come from.

Too bad I already have so much else to read already; but I'll put on my schedule somewhere - I believe to remember I have half an hour free aome sunday 2009.

Right now...."bored" is a better word....you're not very interesting, you know.

Sorry that I am not a kooky dispensationalist; I'll try to improve


- FreezBee

[lee_merrill]

If JP is bored, perhaps if his ducky nips him, he will sit up?

... the Second Great Awakening spurred revival and slavery became recognized as a moral evil under the impetus of a refusal to accept perceived Calvinist predestination and a recognition of the equality of peoples ...

Now is this charging Calvinist predestination with causing slavery? I do certainly object, you may be referring to the "curse of Canaan," which some did take to mean that black people were meant to be slaves, but that is not Calvinist predestination (not to mention this interpretation of the curse being untrue).

But I did appreciate reading about the prime Mormon prophecies, such a contrast with prophecies in Scripture which have details no one could guess. I have my little list of most remarkable prophecies, and none of the Joseph Smith prophecies are now falsifiable like these, nor it seems are Smith's prophecies so very readily falsifiable at all, given the turns in interpretation that seem to have been necessary to vindicate them...

Blessings,
Lee

[jpholding]

No, Lee....it's about how Calvinism was twisted and misused, actually.

[lee_merrill]

Thanks for the clarification...

Blessings,
Lee <- Now I feel better...

[FreezBee]

Right now...."bored" is a better word....you're not very interesting, you know.

Ok, let's try to turn things the other way around. Having read the evidence put forth in your OP, I have suddenly become convinced that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, and that the Book of Mormon is authentic, and that you, while you can see the evidence as well, simply are not open-minded and therefore reject the evidence. How will you convince me that I am wrong?

- FreezBee

[jpholding]

Ok, let's try to turn things the other way around. Having read the evidence put forth in your OP, I have suddenly become convinced that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, and that the Book of Mormon is authentic, and that you, while you can see the evidence as well, simply are not open-minded and therefore reject the evidence. How will you convince me that I am wrong?

- FreezBee

In this case, a Laubach course seems to be the first step. Then brain surgery.

[Bill the Cat]

Ok, let's try to turn things the other way around. Having read the evidence put forth in your OP, I have suddenly become convinced that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, and that the Book of Mormon is authentic, and that you, while you can see the evidence as well, simply are not open-minded and therefore reject the evidence. How will you convince me that I am wrong?

- FreezBee

That's where folks like me step in. I get to the internal stuff of Mormonism, like the utter lack of archaeology to verify any BOM site, event, person, or anything, or any host of other things. Just mozy over into the Mormonism area and give us a try on that one. I'll be glad to see what evidence you have that anything from the BOM actually happened.