The need for civility in Gov't, I.e., Loving Our Enemies!

[Epoetker]

Snaps-up on the even-handedness.

My even hand will now snap back the other way

It was the lack of wisdom in the haughty contempt of pharisitical egoists like Socrates DownUnder which engendered my own deconversion.

So...what? Now that you recognize that your deconversion was based on people with Soc's temperament, what's stopping the reconversion? The recognition that you'll have to face, rebuke, and even tolerate and learn from people like him? He doesn't get lots of Posts of the Day for his meaner moments, but for answering queries in an effective and intellectually rigorous way. Something like scientists tend to do. The scientists I know, atheist, agnostic, or Christian,also have Soc's general mental and social attitude. I have generally gathered that this is an indictment on the often insular and over-refined job environment of scientists, not the practice of science itself. Can you be similarly indulgent with Christianity?

Don't worry about Rahab herself, though; she will always be sweetly Christian. I support my wife's faith.

And I defend it with verve, vigor, and absolution, and seek to enhance it's effectiveness by edifying her mind with the knowedge and wisdom necessary to communicate it's tenets effectively. I'm not interested so much in how sweet a Christian she is than how much the Christianity has to do with it. A pretty rose dies forever if it can't attract a bumbling, testy, boorish bee.

I'd like to see Christianity shed itself of the charlatans and pharisees who historically prevent it from rising-fully on noble legs.

Soc ain't a pharisee, he's a working stiff and intellectual warrior who occasionally has an anger problem. And he's Austrailian, so his attitude on life is rather close to my American heart.

[popof3]

Today @ 06:28 AM post located here
Lazy Agnostic:


Anything Socrates says has only Love entwined.

I disagree. I have felt love. This isn't it.

[BeHereNow]

Epoetker:
And I defend it with verve, vigor, and absolution, and seek to enhance it's effectiveness by edifying her mind with the knowedge and wisdom necessary to communicate it's tenets effectively.

The only thing you defend is your ego. I rarely see a post by you in the apologetics forum, which is, by definition, the place to defend your faith. All I see are assertions that conservatives are holy and liberals are evil, and I constantly see you praising yourself. That's about it.

[Epoetker]

The only thing you defend is your ego.

In pure Freudian terms, what I often defend is my superego, or rational mind. I prefer to refer to it as my ethos, or intellectual qualification to comment on it. I didn't really have to do it that much before you came here, so perhaps you need to do some research on my last 900 posts or so to check for the veracity of that blanket statement.

I rarely see a post by you in the apologetics forum, which is, by definition, the place to defend your faith.

Those Christians already there are doing an admirable and effective job, many because they're financially supported for such work. I defend my faith here on a case-by-case basis, but my primary interest is in politics (primarily war) and the Christian relation to them, mainly because it seemed a little neglected.

All I see are assertions that conservatives are holy and liberals are evil,

Considering that the core groups of conservative voters in this country tend toward faiths with an emphasis on holiness and divine perfection, and the core groups of liberals tend toward faiths and worldviews with an emphasis on making the self feel good regardless of the real-world consequences (there goes that fantasy-ideology definition of evil being useful again), it isn't an entirely unreasonable proposition, even though I can't recall having explored it in any depth.

and I constantly see you praising yourself. That's about it.

So you see with blinkered vision. So I don't particularly care for your views, since that vision filter prevents a nontrivial amount of pertinent information from forming it. So it goes when someone comes onto a debate board intending to get affirmation and applause regardless of the veracity of their views or the clarity in which they are communicated. Old story, long and boring in the retelling.

[Socrates]

08-06-2003 @ 02:23 PM post located here
popof3:

Lazy Agnostic:

Anything Socrates says has only Love entwined.

I disagree. I have felt love. This isn't it.

Popped-off is wrong, and LA is right See TheFiveSolas's post An examination of agape love as practiced by Socrates![/QUOTE]

[chickenman]

keep practising that agape love socrates, I don't think you've got it quite right

[Da Lone-Warrior]

chickenman:

keep practising that agape love socrates, I don't think you've got it quite right

ditto.
dlw

[popof3]

Today @ 09:43 AM post located here
Socrates:

Popped-off is wrong, and LA is right See TheFiveSolas's post An examination of agape love as practiced by Socrates!

Once again you prove your christianity, or rather lack thereof. You can't defend so you insult and attack. Please find Jesus.