On The Duggars

[Jedidiah]

You responded too quickly as a sort of damage control. For all you know, the best thing for Anna is to leave this fake Christian celebrity and start over. God even gives her permission to do so.

Is that her choice or yours?

[whag]

Is that her choice or yours?

Hers, which is why Nick should shut up and let it play out. He has no idea what she's going through and shouldn't pretend he has marriage all figured out.

[Catholicity]

Jaecp has a point about the patriarchy movement. Its attractive to narcissistic men who believe women should be at there beck and call. Not that atheists or other whackos don't have the same issue but Christian Patriarchy in all its glorious scandals (to name a few Jack Schaap, Bill Gothard, Michael Pearl's to train up a Child book which is something of a child abuse manual) Scandals at Bob Jones and Pensacola Christian as well as C.J. Mahaney's Crowd and Mars Hill are breeders for sex crimes and child abuse. I don't think Jaecp has anything to gloat about as there are PLENTY of examples of non-Christians who have ellicited Full sex rings and hidden abuse. They might not have a religion to hide behind, but they do try to hide behind perverted psychology.

[tabibito]

What, when a guy asked her back to his room for coffee and she said no and then nothing happened between them?

Rebecca Watson post Elevatorgate wrote at Slate about atheist conferences:
“ [W]omen started telling me stories about sexism at skeptic events, experiences that made them uncomfortable enough to never return. At first, I wasn’t able to fully understand their feelings as I had never had a problem existing in male-dominated spaces. But after a few years of blogging, podcasting, and speaking at skeptics’ conferences, I began to get emails from strangers who detailed their sexual fantasies about me. I was occasionally grabbed and groped without consent at events.

I started checking out the social media profiles of the people sending me these messages, and learned that they were often adults who were active in the skeptic and atheist communities. They were reading the same blogs as I was and attending the same events. These were “my people,” and they were the worst.

What can be said? Like calls to like, perhaps?

Which has what to do with committing sex crimes exactly?

It's a gender thing - when a male does it, it's a sex crime. When a female does it, it's a minor indiscretion.

[Jaecp]

Jaecp has a point about the patriarchy movement. Its attractive to narcissistic men who believe women should be at there beck and call. Not that atheists or other whackos don't have the same issue but Christian Patriarchy in all its glorious scandals (to name a few Jack Schaap, Bill Gothard, Michael Pearl's to train up a Child book which is something of a child abuse manual) Scandals at Bob Jones and Pensacola Christian as well as C.J. Mahaney's Crowd and Mars Hill are breeders for sex crimes and child abuse. I don't think Jaecp has anything to gloat about as there are PLENTY of examples of non-Christians who have ellicited Full sex rings and hidden abuse. They might not have a religion to hide behind, but they do try to hide behind perverted psychology.

There's so much less irony with those ones, though.

[Adrift]

There's so much less irony with those ones, though.

True, and perhaps that's why Christians ought to be much more up in arms about these sorts of things than unbelievers. Unbelievers stand for no great moral good. They neither hold nor preach any universal set of virtues. An unbeliever can be a peace corp volunteer or a serial killer, or both, and they've broken no loyalties to any shared universal standard, except whatever personal standard they've determined for themselves.

[Jaecp]

Precisely.

You guys have these grandiose moral claims so it's funny when people preaching, or in this case lobbying, end up being massive hypocrites.

[Adrift]

Precisely.

You guys have these grandiose moral claims so it's funny when people preaching, or in this case lobbying, end up being massive hypocrites.

Ah, but at least we do have grandiose moral claims!

[Darth Executor]

Precisely.

You guys have these grandiose moral claims so it's funny when people preaching, or in this case lobbying, end up being massive hypocrites.

It's not funny at all, atheist moral ambiguity doesn't appeal to the overwhelming majority of people, not even to actual atheists who tend to latch onto other non-theistic religious philosophies with absolute moral values (progressivism being the most common in the West, and there's no shortage of progressive hypocrites). The biggest degenerates are even more likely to latch themselves onto major institutions for protection, and human nature being what it is they will often receive it (IE: Planned Parenthood and other progressive officials covering up for Gosnell for being an abortionist despite Gosnell's crapping all over progressive ideals like taking care of women and support for sanitation regulations and regulations in general).

[Jaecp]

Ah, but at least we do have grandiose moral claims!

Haha, sure thing man :p

Now pardon me while I make a comically large "It has been X days since we've had a ridiculously ironic moral failure amongst Christian leadership" sign for my Sig :D


Edit: I do want to be serious for a second and agree that this wouldn't be as big a deal if not for the wagon circling that inevitably leads to further the appearance of hypocrisy.

DE,

Afaik, humanism is the common thing for atheists to latch onto.

Personally, I am quite content with my homebrew 3.5 knockoff of morality
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[Darth Executor]

Afaik, humanism is the common thing for atheists to latch onto.

Personally, I am quite content with my homebrew 3.5 knockoff of morality

Humanism, like your homebrew morality, is largely indistinguishable from mainstream progressivism.

[Jedidiah]

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Edit: I do want to be serious for a second and agree that this wouldn't be as big a deal if not for the wagon circling that inevitably leads to further the appearance of hypocrisy.

Who here has been circling the wagons. Who has defended Dugger? The only thing close to defense has been to point out the equal hypocrisy of non Christians picking out Duggar, ang giving huge numbers of other public figures a free pass. I was willing to let the childhood stupidity go by the board, but now no such thing from me - who has said he deserves for this to be ignored?

[Jaecp]

Who here has been circling the wagons. Who has defended Dugger? The only thing close to defense has been to point out the equal hypocrisy of non Christians picking out Duggar, ang giving huge numbers of other public figures a free pass. I was willing to let the childhood stupidity go by the board, but now no such thing from me - who has said he deserves for this to be ignored?

It's a national level news story with dozens of moving pieces cross country. Why would any random internet person on TWeb need to do something for this to be hilarious to me?

[Jaecp]

Humanism, like your homebrew morality, is largely indistinguishable from mainstream progressivism.

So... awesome and ready to sweep the nation?

Yay!!!

[Jaecp]

OH!

Also, as it turns out, http://gizmodo.com/the-fembots-of-as...son-1726670394

There were only about 12,000 real women using the site, worldwide. And some article I saw floating around patheos is about the hundreds, possibly in the low thousands by the time everything shakes out, of US clergy types who have already announced they're retiring.

Ahh schadenfreude, what would I do without you?

edit: I DONT HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2337691

haaaaaaa

I'm just going to quote the site I got that from because I can't write it better and I'm giggling too hard to think of something funny on my own

Source: youaredumb.net

But for me, it's much funnier to hear that he's entered essentially rehab for his porn addiction. So what you're telling me is, an entire lifetime of being taught a super-devout, super-creepy Christian anti-sex abstinence worldview wasn't enough to keep him away from the demon porn, but a few months in a "treatment program" ought to do the trick? Especially the same kind of "treatment program" he went through for • Edited by a Moderator • when he was a teen? I'm pretty sure we need to point this out every single time someone says sex-ed should be based on Biblical principles.

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