Jaltus's pick for 08-03-2003 ~ DDW makes a Molinist joke!

[Jaltus]

Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren in the thread Do Christians, Jews, and Muslims Worship the Same God? on 08-03-2003

Today @ 03:41 PM post located here
cirisme:

Ok, here is an honest question, so please do not eat me!

What about the Jews before Jesus' time? Did they worship the same true God we do?

Some did, and some did not. You being a Molinist would agree that God knows whether or not they would have rejected the fuller revelation of Christ had it been given to them. But if they trusted in God through the symbols and types revealed by the law and were in obedience and openness to what God was going to bring about then they were worshipping God to completelness of the revelation that they had. I distinguished in this thread earlier that ignorance is not the same as rejection. We are speaking here of Modern Jews who reject Christ, who is God. You cannot worship what you reject. That is an oxymoron. Jesus compares rejection of Him with hating the Father. You cannot hate and worship.

My personal view as of now, is this, the Jews do worship the same God but their worship is rejected and meaningless since they reject the Son.

If they reject the Son, the NT clearly teaches that they have rejected the Father. You cannot worship what you reject.

You know you are getting there when you make jokes from that theological stand point. Go DDW!

[Dee Dee Warren]

I'm getting there!!!! We can have a Molinist invasion.

[Dee Dee Warren]

And I made another one here:

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...694#post166694

And check out here where I make it look like I might know what I am talking about:

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...326#post168326