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August 8th 2006, 02:09 PM #1
What's your view of Baptism
Since this is the topic du jour, I'm wondering what the TWEB demographics are on baptism.
1) Baptism is the means of spiritual renewal and initial justification and sanctification through the infusion of grace received in it, in such a way that one cannot be saved ordinarily without it. Baptism communicates saving grace, by the working of its own power. Children of all church members and unbaptized adult converts must be baptized (Roman Catholic).
2) Baptism is a public testimony to one’s faith in Jesus Christ. Only those who have reached the age of discretion can make such a profession of faith. Therefore, only those who are able to confess Christ should be baptized. (Baptist).
3) Baptism is so closely related to the gospel that through it, Christians receive eternal life and without baptism there can be no assurance of salvation. Both the children of believers and unbaptized adult believers should be baptized (Lutheran).
4) Baptism is a means of sanctifying grace and a gospel ministry to the people of God. It is a sign and seal of the Covenant of Grace illustrating what Christ has done for his people and sealing salvation to the same. Therefore covenant children of believing parents as well as unbaptized adult converts should be baptized. (Reformed).We are facing an enormous and dramatic clash between good and evil, death and life, the 'culture of death' and the 'culture of life'. We find ourselves not only 'faced with' but necessarily 'in the midst of' this conflict: we are all involved and we all share in it, with the inescapable responsibility of choosing to be unconditionally pro-life. --John Paul II
This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live --Deuteronomy 30:19
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August 8th 2006, 02:14 PM #2
Re: What's your view of Baptism
Baptist. Why you ask?
Because I'm a Southern Baptist of course!
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August 8th 2006, 02:16 PM #3
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August 8th 2006, 02:50 PM #4
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#1
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August 8th 2006, 02:56 PM #5
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Hmm I voted for Lutherans without actually reading what is this "lutheran". Actually what is wrote about Lutheran view is wrong. That is NOT Lutheran view.
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August 8th 2006, 03:46 PM #6
Re: What's your view of Baptism
Well, what's the Lutheran view, then?
Originally posted by Shazard
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August 8th 2006, 04:17 PM #7
Re: What's your view of Baptism
Baptist for me. I've always thought that when Jesus said, "Believe and be baptized," He may have meant that in the very act of believing, we experience a baptism (cleansing of the spirit...dying to the flesh). For me, personally, I did not get baptized because I thought it was essential to my salvation or because I thought it was a requirement of any kind at all. Once I believed, I felt an overwhelming need to be baptized. It came out of nowhere and was not to be denied. I was obedient.
You also did not ask about multiple baptisms. I was baptized a second time after having been away from the church for a while. I did it because I felt the need to rededicate myself to Christ and His work on the cross.
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August 8th 2006, 04:19 PM #8
Re: What's your view of Baptism
You left out #5--I don't believe that baptism is necessary.
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August 8th 2006, 04:20 PM #9
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Originally posted by Redneck Crow
* I apologize for any scandal I cause to those who doing a forum search read my old posts written before and during my journey to the Catholic Faith. If you read anything heretical, impious, or just plain wrong, please forgive my ignorance. I submit everything to the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. Praised be Jesus Christ forever and ever! Amen. Also, sorry for the times I was a jerk. Lot's of those!
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August 8th 2006, 04:21 PM #10
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What's a Reformed Baptist supposed to do. I can't vote for both Reformed AND Baptist.
(I voted Baptist)
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August 8th 2006, 04:27 PM #11
Re: What's your view of Baptism
Thats why I said closest....
Originally posted by Faramir
We are facing an enormous and dramatic clash between good and evil, death and life, the 'culture of death' and the 'culture of life'. We find ourselves not only 'faced with' but necessarily 'in the midst of' this conflict: we are all involved and we all share in it, with the inescapable responsibility of choosing to be unconditionally pro-life. --John Paul II
This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live --Deuteronomy 30:19
Go on... I dare ya. -- Xavier
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August 8th 2006, 05:02 PM #12
Re: What's your view of Baptism
I voted for the Baptist position. Unlike most Baptists though, I'm not strict on immersion, I don't think it makes a difference whether we dunk, pour, or sprinkle.
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August 9th 2006, 12:11 AM #13
Re: What's your view of Baptism
Most baptists don't think it matters what form either, it is just preferred to be immersion because that is what is described in the Bible, so why not stick with what was good enough for Jesus? But if circumstances call for something else, go ahead ... for instance many missionaries in desert areas will just sprinkle. Use what you have, just make it sincere.
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August 9th 2006, 12:19 AM #14
Re: What's your view of Baptism
2) Baptism is a public testimony to one’s faith in Jesus Christ. Only those who have reached the age of discretion can make such a profession of faith. Therefore, only those who are able to confess Christ should be baptized. (Baptist).
But.......I'm certainly not against infant baptism, either. Are you sure there's only four views?Freed by Grace
Atonement for all
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August 9th 2006, 03:37 PM #15
Re: What's your view of Baptism
Based on the definitions provided: baptist.
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