Christian Necrophobes

[Cow Poke]

No matter how you define death, biblically speaking, death is not something that had relevance in this world until god made it so.

Well, death CERTAINLY had no relevance until God created LIFE!

Of course in my opinion that is a lot of fairy tale nonsense so I actualy agree with you that god is not the cause of death.

Yeah, so typically dishonest of you, Jim. Can you SHOW me where I argued that God is not the cause of death? I have repeatedly said that God created life.

This looks more and more like an attack on Mossy, so I think I'll leave you to your ignorant folly.

[Adrift]

This looks more and more like an attack on Mossy.

Agreed. Don't you usually move personal attack threads to the Psycho Ward?

[whag]

Agreed. Don't you usually move personal attack threads to the Psycho Ward?

You misquoted him. Cow Poke said that.

This is challenging the views of Sparko and Mossy that death was introduced by humankind.

[Cow Poke]

Agreed. Don't you usually move personal attack threads to the Psycho Ward?

Some how, you managed to attribute my quote to 37818. But, yeah, great suggestion - I'll run it by the uppers.

[Adrift]

Some how, you managed to attribute my quote to 37818.

Darn it, It has to do with the multi-quote function. In the previous iteration of TWeb, if you used the multi-quote feature it would only last for one post. Now it seems to stay on permanently until you go back and turn the feature off on each post you multi-quoted. I had previously used the multi-quote option for both you and BIBLE. When I quoted you the second time, I noticed that I was re-quoting you both again, so I manually deleted the previous quotes, but apparently deleted the wrong quote tag.

long story short, the multi-quote feature is broke.

But, yeah, great suggestion - I'll run it by the uppers.

[Tassman]

Deny what fact?

The fact that all living things die.

And the reason there is death is because mankind rebelled against God

But until you are faced with your own death you have no idea how you will react

Are you so sure there is no God that you are willing to bet your life on it?

I am not afraid to die because I know something better than this life awaits me

The best you can look forward is non existence or worse

[Darth Executor]

I contend that some Christians who can't process the fact that God, if he exists, invented death are themselves fearful of death and probably converted for that shallow reason. Some, not all.

Why is that a shallow reason?

[Jichard]

Why is that a shallow reason?

Because fear of death does not make actually make it more likely that God exists. It's fallacious reasoning, an appeal to consequences where someone believes something because of the positive consequences they think belief will bring to them. It reduces theistic belief down to a selfish attempt to escape something one is scared of, like a child.

[Darth Executor]

Stars are a good example. They're not alive but we can't really call them dead. They serve as a great analogy for biological organisms: they are dynamic, eat and burn fuel, shed waste, and cease existing, just like all flora and fauna do.

They also reproduce. You could probably make a decent argument that stars are, in fact, alive.

[Darth Executor]

Because fear of death does not make actually make it more likely that God exists. It's fallacious reasoning, an appeal to consequences where someone believes something because of the positive consequences they think belief will bring to them. It reduces theistic belief down to a selfish attempt to escape something one is scared of, like a child.

You are telling me why it's not a logical proposition, but that's not what whag said or what I asked about. Shallow has nothing to do with truth or formal reasoning. A thing can be shallow and true and logically sound. It can also be deep and false. I want to know why whag thinks it's a shallow reason.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shallow?s=t

1.
of little depth; not deep:
shallow water.
2.
lacking depth; superficial:

[Jichard]

You are telling me why it's not a logical proposition, but that's not what whag said or what I asked about. Shallow has nothing to do with truth or formal reasoning. A thing can be shallow and true and logically sound. It can also be deep and false. I want to know why whag thinks it's a shallow reason.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shallow?s=t

Already explained why it's shallow: it reduces theistic belief down to a selfish attempt to escape something one is scared of, like a child.

Now, if someone wants to be like a little kid who believes whatever makes them feel good, then they're engaged in shallow wish-fulfillment.

[Darth Executor]

Already explained why it's shallow: it reduces theistic belief down to a selfish attempt to escape something one is scared of, like a child.

That doesn't really explain why it's shallow, though the explanation itself is, ironically, shallow.

Now, if someone wants to be like a little kid who believes whatever makes them feel good, then they're engaged in shallow wish-fulfillment.

There sure are a lot of little kids who look like adults running around.

[Tassman]

That doesn't really explain why it's shallow, though the explanation itself is, ironically, shallow.

There sure are a lot of little kids who look like adults running around.

http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews....p-its-a-thing/

[KingsGambit]

That's a conundrum for the Christians who've asserted non-Christians fear a judgment.
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I can't speak for others but I don't have much time for viewpoints that assert that all people think the same way.

[Sparko]

Death has existed since life has existed.



All living things has been dying for about 3.5 billion years before human beings.



I can't argue with that. We're all different.



We're both mammals who like persisting on the earth. I'd also seek treatment, just as you are doing, if my liver was failing.



All mammals want to live, and that's why you seek a new liver. We don't seek medical treatment during infirmity because we fear a religious judgment. Rather, we have a powerful survival drive.