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**sc_q_jayce** · October 11th 2006, 02:21 AM

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/anaxios.html

Under "God hates the sinners, not just their sins."

The Biblical Definitions of "hate" and "love" are dead links.

(should be

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html

and

http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatlove.html)

Yep.

Now it's time to become Diao Chan.

**NJon** · October 23rd 2006, 11:20 PM

Time for more fun, JPH. I just finished checking your book review page for broken links and came across 21 of them.

Book Reviews
I checked at the "by title" list, but it's probably the same for "by author."

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I. The Biotic Message by Walter ReMine
The link to http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm is broken.

II. The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History by Colin Hemer
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html is broken.

III. The Harlot by the Side of the Road by Jonathan Kirsch
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschharlotrvw.htm is broken.

IV. Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins
The link to http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.htm is broken.

V. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html is broken.

VI. Battles of the Bible by Chaim Herzog and Mordechai Gishon
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html is broken.

VII. The Christians as the Romans Saw Them by Robert L. Wilken
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilkchristrvw.html is broken.

VIII. Engaging Closed Minds by Dan Story
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/stroyengrvw.html is broken.

IX. Evidence That Demands a Verdict (Vol. 2) by Josh McDowell
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.html is broken.

X. The Forgotten Trinity by James White
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html is broken.

XI. The God Who Risks by John Sanders
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html is broken.

XII. Gospel Truth?: New Light on Jesus and the Gospels by Graham Stanton
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html is broken.

XIII. Gospel Truth : The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters by Russel Shorto
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm is broken.

XIV. The Impossibility of God by Michael Martin, ed.
The link to http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm.html is broken.

XV. Jesus and the Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls: Unlocking the Secrets of His Life Story by Barbara Thiering
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/thoeringrvw01.html is broken.

XVI. The Last Days According to Jesus by R. C. Sproul
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproulllastrvw.html is broken.

XVII. The Mystery of Romans by Mark D. Nanos
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanosromrvw.html is broken.

XVIII. Refuting Evolution by Jonathan Sarfati
The link to http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.htm is broken.

XIX. The Trinity and Subordination by Kevin Giles
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/guest/pkekstasis.html is broken.

XX. When Jesus Became God by Richard Rubenstein
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjsrvw.html is broken.

XXI. Who Wrote the New Testament? by Randel Helms
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jhelmsr02.html is broken.

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Also, at http://www.tektonics.org/books/geiswhitervw.html the format is all over the place. Check it out to see what I mean.

**aikidoka** · October 27th 2006, 02:20 AM

This

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/godallover.html

From this page

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/packham02.html#GODCONTRA

and this paragraph

God knows everything, i.e., he is "omniscient" (Ps 139:1-6, Prov 15:3, 5:21, Job 26:6, 34:21, Isa 44:7, Jer 16:17, 23:24, Ezek 11:5, Matt 12:25, John 2:24, Rom 1:20, Heb 4:13). But God didn't know where Adam is (Gen 3:8-9), or Abel (Gen 4:9). Both the rhetorical questions of an ANE sovereign. God didn't know whether Abraham would obey his command to kill Isaac (Gen 22:12). See here. God didn't know which houses in Egypt contain Israelites; he needed to see blood on the doorpost (Ex 12:13). Repeat of above. God had to test Israel for 40 years to find out if they would keep his commandments; apparently he didn't know (Deut 8:2). See last link. God is forgetful and must be reminded of his promises, e.g. of his promise to Noah (Gen 9:15-16). A memorial does not imply forgetfulness. Samuel had to tell God what the people said (1 Sam 8:21). Repeat of above

should be

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/godallover.html

**NJon** · November 6th 2006, 02:44 PM

http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/pers.html
(The TULIP series, perseverance of the saints)

Scroll on down to your analysis of Hebrews 6:4-6, subsection Non-Fudge: "It's 'repentance', not 'salvation."

You cite Peter in Acts 2:28, but the actual citation for what you intended is verse 38.

Also, though this is not a "problem," you may want to consider covering the parable of the sower (Mark 4), specifically verses 16 and 17 which deal with believing and then falling away.
Christ's warning in Matthew 7:17-23 (and subsequent advice/command in verses 24-27) also seem highly-relevant.

**Teallaura** · November 26th 2006, 06:18 PM

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/zalmoxis.html

Last paragraph: "The details are in the devil..." rather than the 'devil is in the details'...

**Teallaura** · November 27th 2006, 02:23 PM

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/brooksbonked.html

Um, is his site down or something? Every link I followed which appears to be from his site is leading to an AOL page saying they can't find it.

**jpholding** · November 27th 2006, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Teallaura

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/brooksbonked.html

Um, is his site down or something? Every link I followed which appears to be from his site is leading to an AOL page saying they can't find it.

Hmm, dunno. Of course Brooks probably moved it to avoid the embarrassment.

BTW the devil/details thingy is on purpose.

**Teallaura** · November 27th 2006, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by jpholding

Hmm, dunno. Of course Brooks probably moved it to avoid the embarrassment.

I'd think moving to Timbuktu would be more likely to accomplish that.

Originally posted by JPH

BTW the devil/details thingy is on purpose.

Ah, okay...

**Leonhard** · December 10th 2006, 02:21 PM

In your book review of Charles Templeton the link to your article about the two accounts of creation is broken.

This is what it is http://www.tektonics.org/jedp.creationtwo.html, and this is what it should be http://www.tektonics.org/jedp/creationtwo.html

JB · December 10th 2006, 04:53 PM

Page: Brains and Eggs (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithg01.html)

A recent skeptical inquirer (actually, Brooks Trubee) asked me if I had ever read a book by one George Smith entitled Atheism: The Case Against God, and if not, whether I ever planned to. The general answer was no to the first, and yes to the second, since the his inquiry essentially amounted to a "by request" for the sort of evaluation I do on these pages. But as I advised the him, the evaluation is done with some limitations. Smith's major focus is on the "existence of God" question. I readily admit to ignoring this debate, and taking for granted here a stance of basic Christian theism, and I make no apologies for this. I see no reason to enter a field of debate that is crowded enough as it is, and perceive myself to be filling a specific gap (historical evidences) that is not being addressed enough. Thus my comments on Smith's work will be directed primarily towards those places where he touches directly upon my own specialty, and a few other places of my choosing. Those looking for material on Smith's main focus are politely declined to seek elsewhere. (Update: A reader with a greater interest in this area has now added his own comments, which we offer as an addendum below.)

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html

Code:

http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/brooksbonked.html

Page: Christian Book Reviews (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html)

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayn01.html

Battles of the Bible by Chaim Herzog and Mordechai Gishon

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjj.html

The Biotic Message by Walter ReMine

Code:

http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm

Code:

http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.asp

The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History by Colin Hemer

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemer01.html

Christianity in Crisis (Audiocassettes) by Hank Hanegraaff
Very highly recommended to supplement the text edition: here the words from their own mouths!

Code:

here

Code:

hear

The Christians as the Romans Saw Them by Robert L. Wilken

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilkchristrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilchristrvw.html

Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins

Code:

http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.htm

Code:

http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.asp

Engaging Closed Minds by Dan Story

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/stroyengrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/storyengrvw.html

Evidence That Demands a Verdict (Vol. 2) by Josh McDowell

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.htm

The Forgotten Trinity by James White

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrinrvw.html

The God Who Risks by John Sanders

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandersjgodriskrvw.html

Gospel Truth?: New Light on Jesus and the Gospels by Graham Stanton

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosrvw.html

Gospel Truth : The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters by Russel Shorto

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.html

The Harlot by the Side of the Road by Jonathan Kirsch

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschharlotrvw.htm

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschhharlotrvw.htm

Heart of the Bible by John macArthur

Code:

macArthur

Code:

MacArthur

The Impossibility of God by Michael Martin, ed.

Code:

http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm.html

Code:

http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm

Jesus and the Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls:
Unlocking the Secrets of His Life Story by Barbara Thiering

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/thoeringrvw01.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/thieringrvw01.html

(Oh, and it might look better without the line break in the title--the same goes for Witherington's Jesus, Paul and the End of the World.)

[url=http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproulllastrvw.html]The Last Days According to Jesus[/b] by R. C. Sproul

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproulllastrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproullastrvw.html

The Mystery of Romans by Mark D. Nanos

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanosromrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanonromrvw.html

(The same error is also found in the first link on this page.)

Refuting Evolution by Jonathan Sarfati

Code:

http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.htm

Code:

http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.asp

The Trinity and Subordination by Kevin Giles

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/pkekstasis.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/psekstasis.html

When Jesus Became God by Richard Rubenstein

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjsrvw.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjesrvw.html

Who Wrote the New Testament? by Randel Helms

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jhelmsr02.html

Code:

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr02.html

That should be enough for now. Let's see that one book review page perfected, eh?

**sc_q_jayce** · December 10th 2006, 11:56 PM

http://www.tektoonics.com/hearthmaps.html

Bottom link (to go back home) is 404'ed!

**NJon** · December 11th 2006, 02:23 PM

I. http://www.tektonics.org/gk/godthere.html

8 - Pagan Saviors/ 9- Satan Did It/ 10 -- Christians Don't Know -- This is the most embarrassing part of the film for Flemming as he makes use of Graves' "16 Crucified Saviors" list (toon point) and the crucified Orpheus icon (toon point). On Justin Martyr see GDon's comments here. Please note how badly Justin's comments are misused in the context of his entire arguments.

The link to http://www.tektoonics.com/notthere/notthere2.html is broken.

18 -- School Daze -- Mostly a personal account of Flemming's former beliefs, with little or no explanation for how he arrived at them, much less any question as to whether maybe he had the basics wrong in the first place. His Dante-view of hell was certainly wrong, as was his idea of what constituted blasphemyof the Holy Spirit.

The second link needs a space added between two words.

II. http://www.tektonics.org/qt/spaninq.html

My but it's easy to stir these people up. The Infidels forum has now turned into a Holding hate-fest; no surprise there, and just what I wanted. See here for all the goofy details. Now as to new comments since last time -- I'll stick with those having to do with the Inquisition, other than dropping Stevie some hints about Internet searching here. It looks like he needs them.

The link to http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.c...&f=45&t=001574 is broken.

To start, we have Brooks correcting Stevie about my belief in eternal, um -- no, Brooks, not "torture" for "opinions" -- we still can't get you out of that, can we? -- punishment, rather. This is the same argument Brooks made years ago, and it hasn't improved with age. Psst -- see here for more. But then Brooks has some words more on the Inquiz. No, he didn't explain where we "rewrote history" -- no new stats or anything. Rather, as predicted, Brooks zeroes in on the irrational, emotional component:

The link to http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html is broken.

(Possibly more reporting later)

**NJon** · December 11th 2006, 04:40 PM

I. http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html

See Uber-fundy Edgar Jones scrape his knuckles on this item here.

The link to http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/crackedvoice02.htm is broken.

II. http://www.tektonics.org/gk/josproph.html

South Carolina could hardly openly say "war" but it is clear from the language that the state was quite willing to take the step if needed. Here is a point from a state history of South Carolina:

The link to http://www.state.sc.us/schist.html is broken.

It is said, "It was impossible for any merely human sagacity to foresee the events foretold in this prophecy. Stephen A. Douglas was a bright but comparatively an unknown man at the time of the interview, in May, 1843." The description sells Douglas a little short. As shown here, Douglas was accomplished for his age even when Smith met him: "on the assembling of the legislature, although not yet twenty-two years of age, he was elected attorney general, an officer who then, in addition to his other duties, rode the metropolitan circuit. His opponent was General John J. Hardin. This office he resigned in December, 1835, having been elected to the lower house of the legislature, of which he was the youngest member. The mental vigor and capacity he there displayed, in striking contrast with his physical frame, which was then very slight, won for him the title of the 'Little Giant,' which followed him through life. In 1837 he was appointed register of the land office at Springfield. In 1838 he was the Democratic candidate for congress ; but his opponent was declared elected by a majority of five votes. Over fifty votes cast for Mr. Douglas were rejected by the canvassers because his name was misspelled."

The link to http://www.stephendouglas.com/ is broken.

Still, Smith's insight does seem a bit precise, doesn't it? After all, weren't many men just as bright as Douglas? Yes, but Smith here matches the feat of Jeane Dixon, who told Ronald Reagan in 1962 he would be President (see here -- Gary Bauer claims a similar "premonition" about Reagan here), and Bill Clinton's mother, who proudly declared that her child would one say be President (see here), and George Bush, who predicted that "W." would make President (see here). Does this prove that Smith was just as insightful as these folks?

The links to http://gwu.edu/~action/ia0899/ia0899bauesp.html and http://www.boston.com/news/local/pol..._ascent+.shtml are broken.

And this item adds:

Within days, the Union commander of the border district, Gen. Thomas Ewing, issued his famous Order No. 11, intended to rid the Missouri border of Confederate sympathizers who had harbored and fed the guerrillas for years.

The link to http://www.kcstar.com/millennium/par...ries/civ14.htm redirects to http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/

However, Smith was far from first on the block in these matters. Here we find the following from the Cancer Council of NSW, Australia:

The link to http://www.nswcc.org.au/cncrinfo/cnc...ok/history.htm is broken.

And here we formerly found (it is now a dead link) that coffee, like tobacco, had its history:

The link to http://www.smellthecoffee.com/thebean/history.shtml is broken.

III. http://www.tektonics.org/uz/zapfigtree.html

As a side note, some complain that there is chronological contradiction between recountings of "whether Jesus overthrew the tables of the money-changers (Matt. 21:12) and subsequently cursed the fig tree (Matt. 21:19), or cursed the fig tree (Mark 11:14) and then threw out the money-changers (Mark 11:15)." The solution which recognizes the ancient historiographical practice of arranging material topically for didactic purposes, rather than following a strict chronology, is dismissed by one skeptic as a resolution that "borders on the pathetic." I submit that what is truly "pathetic" here is skeptical ignorance of ancient literary practices.

The link to http://www.tektonics.org/uz/arrange.html is broken.

IV. http://www.tektonics.org/uz/2muchshame.html

It clarifies and simplifies the argument that sin is an "infinite offense" against God requiring an infinite payment. Under the honor and shame paradigm, sin is particularly an honor offense against God, in effect an insult to His honor and place by means of disregard of His authority and rules. The paradigm demands that such insults to honor be repaid with shame. In this instance it remains that the value of the response must be equitable -- hence Jesus, in his divine identity, remains the only adequate payment for this honor offense; his blood alone is adequate to take away sin. However, because it is a matter of quality and not quantity, and is an "either-or" rather than a mathematical-value proposition, it is no longer necessary to argue that a sin is an "infinite offense" or to even deal in terms of quantity. Indeed, the matter of quality rests on that while all of God's honor is ascribed (due Him by nature), no ascribed honor of our own can match His (being born into a good family), and we are otherwise only capable of having what they call "acquired" honor. (For more see now my revision of our defense of the atonement and penal substitution.)

The link to http://www.tektonics.org/uz/atonedefense.html is broken.

A reader asked this question: I gathered from your response to Pendragon that the Jeffery Dahmer, who apparently repented before that unfortunate encounter with a mop handle, would be in the “nosebleed section” in heaven. Why would that be if Christ suffered the shame for everyone who is saved? I think the answer here relates to the concept of rewards in heaven as opposed to salvation. The rewards will be rewards of honor; obviously someone like Dahmer isn't going to have a lot of rewards, and nor would an Adolf Hitler who repented on his deathbed. So yes, to say they will be in the "nosebleed section" of heaven would be accurate.

The link to http://www.tektonics.org/parody/pendragon142.html is broken.

V. http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise02.html

This still is based on our opponent's lack of ability, has no relation to "Yahweh's Land Promise," it is not necessary to quote this in a reply, and our opponent cannot, and never will be able to, explain why such superfluous commentary requires quotation and/or reference from a respondent, other than a desire to score points.

The link to my original article is here, and it will be posted at when my replies to [Holding] are posted there.

The link to http://www.infidels.org/library/maga...1/1land91.html is broken.

It appears that all that has popped up on this plot of land after "tilling" is dandelions full of fluff and undesirable weeds.

Continue with fluff free version here or read the detailed, painful, enormous response Skeptic X will have to respond to .

The link to http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise3-2.html is broken and the final period is linked to http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise3.html

**jpholding** · December 21st 2006, 11:55 AM

Made it halfway through #59 before I got bummed out.

More when I get back in the mood to be bummed out.

**OldManZangetsu** · January 5th 2007, 01:45 AM

Don't know if you would particularly care about this one, but it threw me off the first time I read it, had to think about it for a few seconds.

From your article on the textual reliability of the NT

That said, the authors fuss much over the use of "about 18% or as little as 10% of total available manuscripts. Of course, even 10% of the avaiable manuscripts (est. 24,000 total, or 2,400) is far above the number available for the runner up, Homer's Iliad (about 650 copies) so all this would do at best is make a decisive race less embarrassing. The authors also flub with the data thusly:

The " is what I'm talking about, you never have the closing quote.

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