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Originally posted by Christian3 View Post1) I think there is a way to get a message across without using stories that are not historical.
2) The problem is that the Qur'an uses stories that are not historical showing the author of the Qur'an thought they were historical.
2) How are the two things related? ---why does the use of "stories" relate to the author thinking they are historical? The Quran is not a history textbook...its purpose is wisdom teaching.....so I fail to see the connection.....
In the Queen of Sheba story, there is an anectode of ants having a conversation---it is a scientific fact that ants do communicate with each other, but that is besides the point, because the Quran is not a science textbook....
It would be an error to assume that simply because some instances in the Quranic stories align (factual) with history or science ---that the Quran is a book of history or a book of science...
As I understand it, "historicity" may be important for the NT as Christians seem to emphasize "prophesy" (fortune-telling)?
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Originally posted by siam View Post
As I understand it, "historicity" may be important for the NT as Christians seem to emphasize "prophesy" (fortune-telling)?
The correct Christian view of prophecy is that of revelation, speaking for God. While distinctions can be made between, prophecy, revelation, knowledge and teaching. In the broad sense they are interrelated. The Apostle Peter call the written revelations ". . . a more sure word of prophecy . . . " 2 Peter 1:16-21. In the Revelation of Jesus Christ it is asserted, ". . . for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. . . ." Revelation 19:10. Jesus is cited to have said, ". . . that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. . . ." Luke 24:44. Moses wrote what God told him to write about the Prophet Jesus, ". . . I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. . . ." Deuteronomy 18:18. And you know Jesus' human birth was by means of God's spoken word and not by a human father. So that the Prophet Jesus is a direct revelation from God unlike any other prophet.Last edited by 37818; 10-04-2017, 08:19 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSo are you arguing a prophet is a fortune teller?
The correct Christian view of prophecy is that of revelation, speaking for God. While distinctions can be made between, prophecy, revelation, knowledge and teaching. In the broad sense they are interrelated. The Apostle Peter call the written revelations ". . . a more sure word of prophecy . . . " 2 Peter 1:16-21. In the Revelation of Jesus Christ it is asserted, ". . . for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. . . ." Revelation 19:10. Jesus is cited to have said, ". . . that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. . . ." Luke 24:44. Moses wrote what God told him to write about the Prophet Jesus, ". . . I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. . . ." Deuteronomy 18:18. And you know Jesus' human birth was by means of God's spoken word and not by a human father. So that the Prophet Jesus is a direct revelation from God unlike any other prophet.
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Originally posted by siam View Postso, in the Christian view, "all things must be fulfilled" means that there is a prediction (foretelling) and this comes true and this is assumed as "prophesy"?...is this correct?Last edited by 37818; 10-05-2017, 08:19 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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I see that two of my links to Siam did not go through.
Here are all three:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raw-SB7AjMo
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books...rces/index.htm
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kora...s-dr-morey.htm
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI see that two of my links to Siam did not go through.
Here are all three:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raw-SB7AjMo
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books...rces/index.htm
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kora...s-dr-morey.htm
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