When Was Revelation Written?

[Dee Dee Warren]

It made perfect sense to me. If you want to hear nonsense, go and subscribe already and I will do the Left Behind thing.

TedO, did you hear about that? (or any of you futurists who want to get even with me?)

[Bill the Cat]

Today @ 09:43 AM post located here
Dee Dee Warren:

It made perfect sense to me. If you want to hear nonsense, go and subscribe already and I will do the Left Behind thing.

TedO, did you hear about that? (or any of you futurists who want to get even with me?)

Any way I can do it without a credit card?

[Bill the Cat]

Now, Ted, Did Jocephus look at the events around the destruction of Jerusalem and apply them to scripture or did he look at scripture and apply it to the events of 70 AD?

It's got to be one or the other...

[Dee Dee Warren]

Today @ 09:45 AM post located here
Bill the Cat:



Any way I can do it without a credit card?

Yes, you can do it by mail, I can PM you the mailing address or it is posted in the Mod area.

[Bill the Cat]

Cool. I got it. I'm gonna send my first one in on thursday...


Anxiously awaiting the Left Behind discussion...

[Dee Dee Warren]

Okay Bill, I will then count you as a subscriber. We will send you email reminders for each month since it is not a paypal thing.

[TedO]

Today @ 02:47 PM post located here
Bill the Cat:

Now, Ted, Did Jocephus look at the events around the destruction of Jerusalem and apply them to scripture or did he look at scripture and apply it to the events of 70 AD?

It's got to be one or the other...

Scripture - Theology (world view) - Correlation with events.

Josephus saw that the events unfolding correlated with his view of what scripture said. Obviously Josephus, and New Testament writers who quoted the scriptures, fit the scriptures into a pre-existing framework. The teaching about the Messiah in the Old Testament was sufficiently vague that many of the "experts" missed it. Why? Their presuppositions were wrong. Those who understood the New Covenant revelation of Jesus could properly understand the scriptures.

My point is this - we have an underlying system of theology by which we interpret the scriptures. And the correlation of current events with scriptures is dictated by the underlying presuppositions. If you think Israel is significant to end times theology you see the fact that Israel is in the news as significant. If Americans treated Israel like any other nations (in other words ignore them), the events over there would go as unnoticed as the ongoing wars and unrest in Africa and SE Asia. The underlying American interest in Israel (due both to natural affinity as our "roots" as well as end times speculation) makes the events in that region seem more significant than other similar events in other parts of the world. In fact, it is a shame that we pay more attention to Israel than the persecuted church in China and Africa.

So we need to start with what is plain in scripture and work forward. Types and shadows will always proove to be very plastic when applied to current events. If Jesus reign extends from his resurrection to his return, according to the scriptures, how does our view of the world fit into that scheme? If death is the last enemy to be conquered, implying that all others will be conquered prior to his return - what does that imply about the triumph of the Great Commission?

[Bill the Cat]

Today @ 10:41 AM post located here
TedO:



Scripture - Theology (world view) - Correlation with events.

Josephus saw that the events unfolding correlated with his view of what scripture said.

That's all I was asking. Thanks for the explain. The rest is for another time.

[Faramir]

[joelkaki]

I believe it was Saintopher in the thread to whom I was speaking, but in any case, here is my response.

I was not saying that it was just me and a few other people who hold this view. This has been very ably demonstrated by real scholars. For instance, read Kenneth Gentry's book on the subject (the title escapes me at the moment, and I don't feel like going to my room to look for it).

However, there is a great deal of internal evidence for the early date of Revelation, which I am sure others have given at some earlier point. I don't have the time to get into all that right now. But my point was not to prove the truth of it, my point was to answer the idea that was put out that the earliest put out by anybody (at least anybody that matters) was A.D. 90, when that is just not the case.

Joel

[studyhound]

I believe it was Saintopher in the thread to whom I was speaking, but in any case, here is my response.

I was not saying that it was just me and a few other people who hold this view. This has been very ably demonstrated by real scholars. For instance, read Kenneth Gentry's book on the subject (the title escapes me at the moment, and I don't feel like going to my room to look for it).

However, there is a great deal of internal evidence for the early date of Revelation, which I am sure others have given at some earlier point. I don't have the time to get into all that right now. But my point was not to prove the truth of it, my point was to answer the idea that was put out that the earliest put out by anybody (at least anybody that matters) was A.D. 90, when that is just not the case.

Joel

Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation