An Alternate Solution for Kim Davis

[Speedlearner1]

I think Christians should go to Congress and demand that they create a new license. The license would bear the Hebrew words for husband, wife, and marriage as found in the book of Genesis. Let the people celebrating their alternative lifestyles try to fight against that.

[KingsGambit]

...what?

[Darth Executor]

why is this in tektonics

[Speedlearner1]

A lot of Christians including republican candidates are supporting Kim Davis. It's becoming a huge Christian issue. I'm sure many fundy athiests are creating videos right now on this topic. I thought my idea may satisfy everyone concerned. Besides, until today I didn't know the Hebrew words for marriage, husband, and wife. I found that most interesting.

[KingsGambit]

It's not an apologetics issue, though. Determining the ethical course of action here does not relate to the truth claims of Christianity.

[Teallaura]

Move it to Christianity.

[Speedlearner1]

If I knew how to move the topic, I would.

[Teallaura]

Just pm one of the area mods. They won't mind.

[Speedlearner1]

Thank you very much.

[Pentecost]

Kim Davis is a Oneness believer isn't she? That makes her as relevant to us as Mormons.

[element771]

She should do her job and if she can't / won't do it then she needs to get another one.

It is not our job to judge another. People sin, keep sinning, and will always sin. If you denied anyone who sins and keeps sinning a license, her office would not be giving out any licenses.

[Abigail]

The state is secular so any type of marriage will ultimately be given a license. Despite what homosexuals say, I fully anticipate that in a few years time it will be lawful to have multiple husbands/wives and threesome marriages etc. I think the best path for Christians is to view the part of their marriage in Church as the real part, so to think of it as "Christian Marriage" as opposed to any other type of marriage. I think people like KD have done us all a favour as they have brought Christian beliefs on marriage to wider public consciousness and now for our part we must keep the flame going by differentiating between marriages when we talk so that people know what Christian Marriage is.

[element771]

The state is secular so any type of marriage will ultimately be given a license. Despite what homosexuals say, I fully anticipate that in a few years time it will be lawful to have multiple husbands/wives and threesome marriages etc. I think the best path for Christians is to view the part of their marriage in Church as the real part, so to think of it as "Christian Marriage" as opposed to any other type of marriage. I think people like KD have done us all a favour as they have brought Christian beliefs on marriage to wider public consciousness and now for our part we must keep the flame going by differentiating between marriages when we talk so that people know what Christian Marriage is.

I think it is ridiculous that just because civil marriage has been extended to same sex couples that you think that everything else will become recognized.

KD has done Christians a disservice to us because while she reads the Bible, she actually doesn't follow the words of Jesus. She is not the moral arbiter of God's law...only Jesus and God are. It is pretty explicit in the Bible when it comes to judgment by us of others. We are not God, and she is pretending like she is. Pride, even when expressed behind Christian sentiment, is still pride.

[Abigail]

I think it is ridiculous that just because civil marriage has been extended to same sex couples that you think that everything else will become recognized.

How can it not? If three people love each other why should you deny them? (or so the logic goes)

KD has done Christians a disservice to us because while she reads the Bible, she actually doesn't follow the words of Jesus. She is not the moral arbiter of God's law...only Jesus and God are. It is pretty explicit in the Bible when it comes to judgment by us of others. We are not God, and she is pretending like she is. Pride, even when expressed behind Christian sentiment, is still pride.

I think marriage is clearly defined in the Bible. If we see a brother/sister sinning then we have to tell them of their sin. People with homosexual desires are Christians too, so if a homosexual thinks it fit to get married then we should say something. It is not bad judging to do that when we have clear standards, in fact it would be remiss of us if we didn't. As for KD, she is working in a state department (secular and public) and many of the people coming in for licenses are likely not Christians so in that sense she is wrong to try impose her behavioural standards on non-believers. My point was even though we may not agree with her she has done us a 'favour' by coming into the public eye as the issue then becomes a talking point for people and makes people think about marriage on a deeper spiritual level.

[element771]

How can it not? If three people love each other why should you deny them? (or so the logic goes)

Because there is a fundamental difference between a partnership and a "corporation". Its not a clear cut how that shakes out. Allowing two people of the same sex to get married does not fundamentally change the nature of marriage being a partnership (from the states point of view).

I think marriage is clearly defined in the Bible. If we see a brother/sister sinning then we have to tell them of their sin. People with homosexual desires are Christians too, so if a homosexual thinks it fit to get married then we should say something. It is not bad judging to do that when we have clear standards, in fact it would be remiss of us if we didn't. As for KD, she is working in a state department (secular and public) and many of the people coming in for licenses are likely not Christians so in that sense she is wrong to try impose her behavioural standards on non-believers. My point was even though we may not agree with her she has done us a 'favour' by coming into the public eye as the issue then becomes a talking point for people and makes people think about marriage on a deeper spiritual level.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Mathew 7:3

I would argue that we never get rid of the plank in our own eye.

"Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?" James 3:6

That seems pretty clear to me.

As far as KD, If she would have said...I don't condone homosexual marriage but it is not for me to judge as per the scriptures. Then I think she would have done us a service. However when she is claiming to be judge of these peoples behaviors, it only amplifies the idea of a large population of people being Christian in name only. To me, this may serve to drive people away as welcoming people into the fold. Especially when it is unbiblical to judge as she is doing.