Re: A quote from Andrew Murray
And again! We are here talking about earthy condition of will or condition of will when one is dead?
Originally posted by Forrest
I don't. To have will does not mean to have it free!
Now you do have a point that a soul in prison doesn't have freedom....BUT...that does not mean he has no will. Do not confuse the two.
Thanks God... now you understand what is "bound will" and what is free will. BTW you are messing Lazarus with rich man here!
Clearly Lazarus has a will here...it is his will that the beggar dip his finger insome water to quench him and laso his will that somebody be sent back to warn his brothers. But since he is in prison he is powerless to effect his will. If anything this would be closer to Jane's bound will, a partial truth, for the will always has restirictions or limitations on what it can effect, nevertheless it never ceases to exist.
And you nicely prooved that even THEN will is not free
OK, now I’ve showed you a soul functioning without a body or a spirit.
BTW You didn't proove that Soul acts without Spirit. As places you cited is from viewpoint of alive person. According to the same scriptures Lazarus were "With God". And as pointed out, "Soul" often is interchangable with "Spirit".
Freedom to do what? Or freedom from what?
Now you show me a soul, even one with no freedom, that has no will of it's own.
To have Will and to Have FREE Will it is two different things. Sorry if you can't understand it, then it is not your time to understand this distinction yet. But I see you don't deny Jesus Christ, so God is working and show you what is your part of salvation. But no worries, what is impossible for man is possible for God, even save such sinners as you and me!
As I've said before, every man has a will, every man has a destiny...these are not in contradiction to each other.
Living things are systems that tend to respond to changes in their environment,
and inside themselves, in such a way as to promote their own continuation.