Terroist Bill of Rights

[Mr. Christopher]

So I was watching CBS the other day, and Rush Limbaugh was on it. He brought up a "Terrorist Bill of Rights," which is basically making the Constitutional rights we Americans have, to apply to terrorists. He was reffering to the democrats efforts to give people like Osama these freedoms, but it does raise the question, should they receive Constitutional rights that you and I do?

My answer is no, because they don't respect others' rights, so they should be treated as criminals, who have their freedom taken away. Which also brings me to my next point about tourture. I don't like it, but I do agree with it being used in certain instances. Like when the military sees someone walking away from a IED with a detonator in their hands, and the person won't say who they received it from, I think it would save lives if the supplier was to be identifyed ASAP, and to get that information, certain tactics MUST be used. But to tourture someone just to let off steam, no way, I'd never support it. Besides, most people who do these interrogations do say that most people who you talk to, if you ask, they will tell. But there are a select few who really want to hide information to protect themselves. I'm also open to certain tactics to use such as empty promises, such as telling the terrorist that maybe their family will be safe in America, or maybe they can be moved. Most do crack when you bring up family.

El Rushbo did bring up a few points that I liked; as in you cannot negotiate with evil, especially the evil that we face today, where they start the negotaitions out WITH OUR DEATH, and then move on from there. It's impossible to talk to these kinds of people. People who are willing to strap bombs on their kids and themselves, run into a US checkpoint and blow it up, do not deserve these rights, because for one, they aren't people to me. And I don't buy this "we are peaceful people" the muslims try to sell us. Yeah, they're peaceful if you follow their beliefs, otherwise, you're dead to them. Your life is not worth it to them if you're not a muslim.

Ranting done, now back to my main point of do Terrorists have a "bill of rights." No, they do not have any rights as far as I'm concerned. The one right they think they have is killing more innocent Americans and other's who aren't like them.

So... what does everyone else think?

[sj48182]

My answer is no, because they don't respect others' rights, so they should be treated as criminals, who have their freedom taken away.

And how do we in the U.S. determine who is a criminal and who isn't a criminal? Due process. Is it really that scary a concept? One would think, listening to El Fatso, that due process was invented to protect the guilty instead of to protect the innocent. Which is why El Druggo is basically a joke in informed circles.

Which also brings me to my next point about tourture. I don't like it, but I do agree with it being used in certain instances. Like when the military sees someone walking away from a IED with a detonator in their hands, and the person won't say who they received it from, I think it would save lives if the supplier was to be identifyed ASAP, and to get that information, certain tactics MUST be used.

Everyone has their reasons why they have to resort to torture. Saddam Hussein, no doubt, has a list of excuses for all the crimes he committed. To point out that a defense of torturing suspects blurs the distinction between us and our enemies is too obvious. What's not obvious, but equally true, is that torture does not usually yield reliable information.

El Rushbo did bring up a few points that I liked; as in you cannot negotiate with evil, especially the evil that we face today, where they start the negotaitions out WITH OUR DEATH

Most of them don't. We've given them plenty of surprisingly valid reasons to hate our guts for the past 60 years.

and then move on from there. It's impossible to talk to these kinds of people.

"These kinds of people" are a mirror image of our own neocons, except that the neocons are cowards who use other people's kids to fight.

People who are willing to strap bombs on their kids and themselves, run into a US checkpoint and blow it up, do not deserve these rights, because for one, they aren't people to me.

That doesn't qualify even as terrorism. That is combat. We can end it tomorrow by leaving their country. You are making them look better than even I think some of them deserve here.

And I don't buy this "we are peaceful people" the muslims try to sell us. Yeah, they're peaceful if you follow their beliefs, otherwise, you're dead to them. Your life is not worth it to them if you're not a muslim.

Plenty of the folks we are fighting--the ex-Baathists, in particular--are about as interested in Islam as the Clintons are in being Southern Baptists. It's good for the resume, you know? But not exactly their main motivation. But Americans don't like fine distinctions. Learning about distinctions is un-American. It's too close to treating those little brown people who populate those little brown countries as if they actually deserve our attention.

[jason]

I think terrorists should be given all of the rights they are entitled too. I've seen two suggestions for how to treat them, that I think is appropriate and should be codified into a bill of rights.

One suggestion was to treat them as pirates.

Although I think they should be offically declared as a foreign army and treated as behind the lines soldiers out of uniform (commando's and the like).

That would be the fairest and most just way to treat them. Either suggestion works for me for a bill of rights for terrorists.

Of course the idiocy certian dems are in favour of, should see said idiots charged with treason in a time of war, and dealt with accordingly.

Jason

[Tladatsi]

The reason we need to recognized the rights of even guilty people is ow we can protected the rights of innocent people. Why? Because there is no way to tell them apart without rights. We do not have rights just because they are nice and pleasent. Without due process, the innocent get convicted and the guilty go free. Look at the case of that Canadian fellow who was abducted in NY by DHS and deported to Syria (so we farm out our torture to Syria, there is some irony), where he was tortured, and hell in a cell the size of a coffin for almost a year. He was completely innocent. Quite aside from the minor detail that it is horrible to do such things to anyone, a huge amount of time and energy were wasted tracking this "terrorist" while real terrorist are running about free.

So I was watching CBS the other day, and Rush Limbaugh was on it. He brought up a "Terrorist Bill of Rights," which is basically making the Constitutional rights we Americans have, to apply to terrorists. He was reffering to the democrats efforts to give people like Osama these freedoms, but it does raise the question, should they receive Constitutional rights that you and I do?

My answer is no, because they don't respect others' rights, so they should be treated as criminals, who have their freedom taken away. Which also brings me to my next point about tourture. I don't like it, but I do agree with it being used in certain instances. Like when the military sees someone walking away from a IED with a detonator in their hands, and the person won't say who they received it from, I think it would save lives if the supplier was to be identifyed ASAP, and to get that information, certain tactics MUST be used. But to tourture someone just to let off steam, no way, I'd never support it. Besides, most people who do these interrogations do say that most people who you talk to, if you ask, they will tell. But there are a select few who really want to hide information to protect themselves. I'm also open to certain tactics to use such as empty promises, such as telling the terrorist that maybe their family will be safe in America, or maybe they can be moved. Most do crack when you bring up family.

El Rushbo did bring up a few points that I liked; as in you cannot negotiate with evil, especially the evil that we face today, where they start the negotaitions out WITH OUR DEATH, and then move on from there. It's impossible to talk to these kinds of people. People who are willing to strap bombs on their kids and themselves, run into a US checkpoint and blow it up, do not deserve these rights, because for one, they aren't people to me. And I don't buy this "we are peaceful people" the muslims try to sell us. Yeah, they're peaceful if you follow their beliefs, otherwise, you're dead to them. Your life is not worth it to them if you're not a muslim.




Ranting done, now back to my main point of do Terrorists have a "bill of rights." No, they do not have any rights as far as I'm concerned. The one right they think they have is killing more innocent Americans and other's who aren't like them.

So... what does everyone else think?