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Originally posted by Jichard
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That is absurd, but it's not the argument being made. If the only way you can refute someone's argument is to mischaracterize it, you've failed. I'm beginning to think you started this thread because you're not all that bright yourself, and you needed a little boost of self-esteem via association.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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That is the argument being made. Your lot is arguing that the pioneers of modern science were Christian, even as you willfully exclude scientists who weren't involved in either physics or astronomy. You apparently seem to think that pioneers of modern science basically amounts to pioneers of modern physics and astronomy. And that's absurd. There are plenty pioneers of modern science who weren't Christian, as soon as one bothers to look at science beyond physics and astronomy (ex: biology).Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
If you use pioneers of modern science to mean the pioneers of the methods used in science, then you're still in trouble, since many atheists were the pioneers of the methods used in sciences like biology. There's no excuse for excluding them.
Substance-free insults. Do better.I'm beginning to think you started this thread because you're not all that bright yourself, and you needed a little boost of self-esteem via association.
By the way, you're making stuff up as well, since I made in the OP I made it quite clear why I started this thread. So there's no reason to dishonestly pretend that there's some other reason. And you still haven't address the false claims you made up about scientific research: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...035#post245035Last edited by Jichard; 10-03-2015, 03:24 PM.Comment
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And there were pioneers of modern biology, who were atheist.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
Watching you making a fool of yourself is so entertaining. You want biologist named, from that time period? Ok here you go:
Antonie van Leeuwenhoek
Jan Swammerdam
Peter Artedi
Leonard da Vinci
Francesco Redi
Paracelsus
These are all people responsible for biology discoveries, from the scientific revolution era.
Anything else?
More substance-free lies, as usual.Try again and this time, see if you can admit you're wrong about anything or is your hatred of Christians so powerful that you can't bring yourself to admit to being wrong to a Christian?Comment
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Sorry, but you are wrong. Modern science (and the modern scientific method) began with physics and astronomy. Hence "pioneers of modern science" DOES amount to "pioneers of physics and astronomy", whether you like it or not. Chemistry came just afterwards, on the coattails of physics. Biology and geology came somewhat later. The "social sciences" (or "soft sciences") came much later.Originally posted by Jichard View PostLast edited by Kbertsche; 10-03-2015, 07:33 PM."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert EinsteinComment
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Quote me where I said they didn't or admit that you made that all up because you're hatred of Christians is your guiding light.Originally posted by Jichard View Post
Of course it is a 'lie' because it makes you look like the dishonest jack ass you truly are.More substance-free lies, as usual."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Quote where I said you claimed that there were not atheist pioneers of science.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
More insults based on your fabrications about me.or admit that you made that all up because you're hatred of Christians is your guiding light.
More lies about me hating Christians.Of course it is a 'lie' because it makes you look like the dishonest jack ass you truly are.
Learn to be Christ-like.Comment
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Translation: "Crap, I'm wrong again, let me try asking a question rather than just admit that I was wrong again!"Originally posted by Jichard View Post
Anything is better than admitting you're wrong, eh? Go ahead idiot, show where I ever denied atheist haven't made contributions to science.
Of course it's a fabrication because it makes you look like the jack ass you truly are. If this is wrong, go ahead and please show a single Christian or Christian view point you have agreed with or got along with please. Thanks!More insults based on your fabrications about me.
Of course it's a 'lie' because it shows you for the jack ass you truly are. If this is a 'lie' though, why do you keep starting fights with every Christian you run into and can't seem to even give Christians credit for anything good and instead take every opportunity to show your hatred, every time your post?More lies about me hating Christians.
Christ-like (Jerkard definition) - "Waa! Please be a door mat so I can walk all over you!"Learn to be Christ-like.
What's the problem jack ass, do you not like it when you get the same treatment you have given onto others? You earned it sweety, don't get mad at me because I'm treating you in the same way you treat others."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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Nothing of substance to respond to there. Just a deeply angry person, making irrational statements.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostComment
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Of course I am because I'm not being the door mat that you wish me to be. Go ahead Jerkard, show a single nice thing you've said to Christians or a Christian since you got here. I can show nice things I've said about atheist, can you do the same for Christians or am I dead right and your hatred of Christians and Christianity, in general, keeps you from doing so?Originally posted by Jichard View Post"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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I am surprised no one mentioned Sir Francis Bacon, he was a devout Anglican, and his ideas played quite the role in the Scientific Revolution.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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I mentioned him briefly earlier in this thread. It has been argued (by Barbour and others) that modern science is based on three ideas which set it apart from Greek and Medieval science: 1) the empiricism of Bacon, 2) the mathematical approach of Kepler, and 3) the theoretical abstraction of Galileo. I think Barbour is correct that until all three of these elements were in place, we really didn't have modern science.Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
All three of these founders of modern science were Christian; Bacon was Anglican, Kepler was Lutheran, and Galileo was Catholic. And all three were fairly devout in their faith, more so than the general public. (Galileo is often wrongly viewed as anti-religious; for evidence of his religious convictions, see his "Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina." Also here.)Last edited by Kbertsche; 10-04-2015, 12:13 AM."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert EinsteinComment
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Yes, indeed.Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
Bacon is putatively the Father of Scientific Method.Comment
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Actually I will go with LeucretiusOriginally posted by klaus54 View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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. . . and ArchimedesOriginally posted by shunyadragon View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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