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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWill Obama be inviting him to the White House any time soon?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd how does any of that refute the observations made by Pamela Geller in her Breitbart editorial?
This, unlike the arrest of teenager followed by police questioning without his parents, is not national news level. Particularly because this kid left the thing in plain view and completely unattended. Ahmed was suspended over allegedly building a fake bomb. This kid, upon seeing that the device he left unattended was causing a bomb scare, reassured people, not unlike 14 year old Ahmed insisting his clock was a clock was trying to tell people it wasn't a bomb. Finally, unlike the arrest and questioning of a 14 year old boy, the school suspended this student for all of 36 hours because of a student handbook violation because he caused a large scale disruption, admittedly by accident. He was not punished for allegedly bringing a fake bomb to school on purpose as Ahmed was.
Oh, and this Kid is POST AHMED so.... yeah
MM, the more I look at this the more I see numerous key differences between this story and the one from last year. This is nowhere near as bad as that was on numerous levels and near as I can tell the school handled this perfectly unlike the case in Texas.
tl;dr -- You're editorial is nonsense and conflating radically different situations to get people like you and rogue super miffed
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostBy being factual as opposed to hyperbolic, obviously.
This, unlike the arrest of teenager followed by police questioning without his parents, is not national news level. Particularly because this kid left the thing in plain view and completely unattended. Ahmed was suspended over allegedly building a fake bomb. This kid, upon seeing that the device he left unattended was causing a bomb scare, reassured people, not unlike 14 year old Ahmed insisting his clock was a clock was trying to tell people it wasn't a bomb. Finally, unlike the arrest and questioning of a 14 year old boy, the school suspended this student for all of 36 hours because of a student handbook violation because he caused a large scale disruption, admittedly by accident. He was not punished for allegedly bringing a fake bomb to school on purpose as Ahmed was.
Oh, and this Kid is POST AHMED so.... yeah
MM, the more I look at this the more I see numerous key differences between this story and the one from last year. This is nowhere near as bad as that was on numerous levels and near as I can tell the school handled this perfectly unlike the case in Texas.
tl;dr -- You're editorial is nonsense and conflating radically different situations to get people like you and rogue super miffed
* Levi is a model student.
* Ahmed has a history of being a trouble maker.
* Levi actually showed ingenuity by creating something useful from scratch.
* Ahmed simply transferred a pre-made clock into a different housing, and even then did a rather poor job.
* Levi had no intention of causing a scene.
* Ahmed admitted his "homemade" clock looked suspicious but brought it to school anyway.
* Levi inadvertently caused a panic, not realizing that his homemade charger might cause alarm.
* Ahmed showed his "homemade" clock to several teachers even after being told to keep it hidden.
* Levi openly cooperated with school officials and the police.
* Ahmed adopted a passive aggressive attitude and would only say, "It's a clock," no matter what he was asked.
* Levi and his family accepted his (unfair) punishment with good grace.
* Ahmed's family is currently suing a number of organizations and individuals, demanding repartitions for Ahmed's little stunt.
All things considered, it certainly seems that Levi is more deserving of praise than Clock Boy, don't you think. So where is Levi's White House invite? When will the left celebrate Levi as a teenage genius who was treated unfairly because of a simple misunderstanding? Do you think Google, Mark Zuckerberg, MIT, NASA, etc. are currently drafting congratulatory notices to Levi with promises of scholarships and internships? Is Microsoft going to ship thousands of dollars worth of merchandise to reward Levi for his ingenuity?
What's that? Ahmed is Muslim, and Levi is Jewish?
Ooooooh...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSure, let's look at the differences:
* Levi is a model student.
* Ahmed has a history of being a trouble maker.
* Levi actually showed ingenuity by creating something useful from scratch.
* Ahmed simply transferred a pre-made clock into a different housing, and even then did a rather poor job.
* Levi had no intention of causing a scene.
* Ahmed admitted his "homemade" clock looked suspicious but brought it to school anyway.
* Levi inadvertently caused a panic, not realizing that his homemade charger might cause alarm.
* Ahmed showed his "homemade" clock to several teachers even after being told to keep it hidden.
* Levi openly cooperated with school officials and the police.
* Ahmed adopted a passive aggressive attitude and would only say, "It's a clock," no matter what he was asked.
* Levi and his family accepted his (unfair) punishment with good grace.
* Ahmed's family is currently suing a number of organizations and individuals, demanding repartitions for Ahmed's little stunt.
No, the school is being sued for defamation. Which, yeah, that's going to be hard to defend outside of Breitbart-land.
All things considered, it certainly seems that Levi is more deserving of praise than Clock Boy, don't you think. So where is Levi's White House invite? When will the left celebrate Levi as a teenage genius who was treated unfairly because of a simple misunderstanding? Do you think Google, Mark Zuckerberg, MIT, NASA, etc. are currently drafting congratulatory notices to Levi with promises of scholarships and internships? Is Microsoft going to ship thousands of dollars worth of merchandise to reward Levi for his ingenuity?
What's that? Ahmed is Muslim, and Levi is Jewish?
Ooooooh...
Funny though,
You somehow managed to leave out that the clock was with Ahmed the whole time, but this student left the device unattended plugged into the wall of the locker room and the panic started while he was not there to explain and by the time he was able to tell the coach it was too late to stop it. He wasn't punished for the device, as Ahmed was suspended, but because of the disturbance that a weird looking device caused in the gym teacher. This Matters
You also left out that the police were called and they processed him without his parents presence and the rest of that nonsense that went down. Those images of a skinny brown kid in a NASA t-shirt looking confused while the cops mill around is powerful stuff and reflects the problems and struggles that many people deal with as it relates to racial prejudice on a daily basis. This Oregon school was wise to handle it themselves. That wisdom generated key differences. Police not being their means no arrests, no spectacle. Because they didn't create spectacle, they don't need to defend their actions publicly which increases the cycle of the news allowing for more momentum to build.
Seriously, MM, these are exceptionally different scenario's.
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostI won't be debating you on the basic facts, MM
* Ahmed has a history of being a trouble maker.
You found a story that confirmed this, so no need to discuss it further.
* Ahmed simply transferred a pre-made clock into a different housing, and even then did a rather poor job.
You say this isn't relevant; on the contrary, it is very relevant when Ahmed was widely praised by the left as a teenage genius who "invented" a clock when his project wasn't actually an invention, and, to put it bluntly, was amateurish even for a 14-year old.
* Ahmed admitted his "homemade" clock looked suspicious but brought it to school anyway.
Clock Boy in his own words: ""
* Ahmed showed his "homemade" clock to several teachers even after being told to keep it hidden.
Mark Cuban spoke with Clock Boy shortly after the incident
In other words, Ahmed was a punk pulling a stunt with a ham-handed "homemade" clock that he knew looked suspicious, and he got exactly the reaction that he and his family were hoping for.
You're right about the police thing, though. I thought the police had been called on Levi, but apparently because he was open and honest with school administrators, the matter was quickly settled without police involvement. Contrast this with Ahmed's deceitful and passive aggressive behavior.
But let's switch students. Suppose Levi was in Ahmed's position and Ahmed was in Levi's position. Now which story do you suppose liberals would have focused on? The passive aggressive white Jewish kid who pulled a prank on school officials with a suspicious device, or the Muslim kid who was a model student who was unfairly punished over a misunderstanding? The follow-up questions is why would liberals choose to focus on one story and not the other?
I'm pretty sure you know the answer.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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MM, It's clear as day that you don't have any way to answer the actual points I brought up since you, for 3 posts in a row now, have refused to directly address the points I have brought up and have simply repeated yourself and it's getting kind of sad dude. These situations are not similar and you have not done the legwork to demonstrate that they are. I have written answers to almost every single point you brought up here, actually, it's in the post right above yours! Great, eh? Try replying to what I actually said and we can continue this, but this evasiveness is really lame dude
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[*Story continues at the link above*]
First, it needs to be noted that the judge in the case is a Democrat.
Second, I kinda wish the case proceeded in that I would really like to hear the school's side of all this. We only heard Ahmed and his family's account.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFirst, it needs to be noted that the judge in the case is a Democrat.
Second, I kinda wish the case proceeded in that I would really like to hear the school's side of all this. We only heard Ahmed and his family's account.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo the lawyer wasn't even ready to present his case? Or was he vainly hoping he wouldn't be asked? It boggles my mind that he would waste 15-minutes looking for something he had to know didn't exist.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPerhaps he was lulled into a false sense of confidence by the liberals who were singing the praises of clock boy and declaring anybody who didn't kiss his butt as "anti-Muslim". Maybe he just figured he'd sail through that hearing unopposed.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo the lawyer wasn't even ready to present his case? Or was he vainly hoping he wouldn't be asked? It boggles my mind that he would waste 15-minutes looking for something he had to know didn't exist.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe lawyer was a woman, not a man. The judge asked her a question she wasn't prepared to answer. It happens.
Remember, they were suing for defamation, so you would think that evidence of the defendants making false statements would be at the top of the stack.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRemember, they were suing for defamation, so you would think that evidence of the defendants making false statements would be at the top of the stack.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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